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<blockquote data-quote="Rel" data-source="post: 471815" data-attributes="member: 99">I'd just point out that this battle will go very differently depending on whether the party fights the goblins out in the open or in their own caves.Out in the open, the party can use their area effect spells to maximum effect.&nbsp; They will be taking out gobbos by the dozen if not score with spells like web, flame strike, fireball, etc.&nbsp; I won't even mention the damage that can be done by the druid with just a few Entangles (or, God forbid, Briar Webs).&nbsp; They will also be less hindered by lack of darkvision.If on the other hand they must fight the goblins in their own caves, it will be a much more &quot;intimate&quot; battle.&nbsp; If this is the case, definately read through the &quot;Subteranean Kingdom&quot; thread mentioned before.&nbsp; It gets just nasty.And speaking from my own experience, a party of three 5th level characters (Including a Druid, a Ranger and a Rogue/Sorcerer) had little difficulty dealing with 60 Gnolls in an above ground encampment.&nbsp; When they later ran into a group of about 30 Kobolds in a mine, they had tremendous difficulties (in fact they left the mines with the party consisting of the Druid, a Cleric/Fighter and a Barbarian thanks to two deaths in the party).&nbsp; The Kobolds actually fought them to a standstill and eventually even arranged to cut a deal for their own survival in exchange for information because the party was so tired of fighting them.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Rel, post: 471815, member: 99"] I'd just point out that this battle will go very differently depending on whether the party fights the goblins out in the open or in their own caves. Out in the open, the party can use their area effect spells to maximum effect. They will be taking out gobbos by the dozen if not score with spells like web, flame strike, fireball, etc. I won't even mention the damage that can be done by the druid with just a few Entangles (or, God forbid, Briar Webs). They will also be less hindered by lack of darkvision. If on the other hand they must fight the goblins in their own caves, it will be a much more "intimate" battle. If this is the case, definately read through the "Subteranean Kingdom" thread mentioned before. It gets just nasty. And speaking from my own experience, a party of three 5th level characters (Including a Druid, a Ranger and a Rogue/Sorcerer) had little difficulty dealing with 60 Gnolls in an above ground encampment. When they later ran into a group of about 30 Kobolds in a mine, they had tremendous difficulties (in fact they left the mines with the party consisting of the Druid, a Cleric/Fighter and a Barbarian thanks to two deaths in the party). The Kobolds actually fought them to a standstill and eventually even arranged to cut a deal for their own survival in exchange for information because the party was so tired of fighting them. [/QUOTE]

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