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<blockquote data-quote="the Jester" data-source="post: 6271385" data-attributes="member: 1210">The difference is only 1, not 2.A halfling with an npc class has a CR equal to his class level -1. The elite goblins in your example get +1 to CR for being elite IIRC. So let's examine the goblin group that attacked you:6 &quot;elite&quot; warriors of about level 5: Assuming &quot;elite&quot; means &quot;elite stat array&quot;, these guys should each be CR 4.4 or 6 (?) warriors of level 1 are CR 1/3 each. We'll assume six of them for mathematical simplicity. A goblin adept able to cast spells of level 2 (and leader of the goblin team) must be at least level 4 (to gain 0 level 2 spells). Let's assume he was, but needed the elite array; so let's call him CR 3. A large-sized spider: CR 2.Two medium spiders: CR 1 each.To my count, that's a total of:Six CR 1/3;Two CR 1; One CR 2; One CR 3; and Six CR 4 creatures. Total EL: Approx. 9. No wonder you guys got your butts kicked.Granted, the EL system tends to overestimate EL for a bunch of low level monsters, but those six CR 4 creatures alone push the EL up to 9. The rest is just butter on top.Now, as to the abuseability of the CR system vis-a-vis the npc classes, I'll just point out that a fighter 4 and a fighter 4/warrior 1 have the same CR. Just a tip to all the rat bastard dms out there. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="the Jester, post: 6271385, member: 1210"] The difference is only 1, not 2. A halfling with an npc class has a CR equal to his class level -1. The elite goblins in your example get +1 to CR for being elite IIRC. So let's examine the goblin group that attacked you: 6 "elite" warriors of about level 5: Assuming "elite" means "elite stat array", these guys should each be CR 4. 4 or 6 (?) warriors of level 1 are CR 1/3 each. We'll assume six of them for mathematical simplicity. A goblin adept able to cast spells of level 2 (and leader of the goblin team) must be at least level 4 (to gain 0 level 2 spells). Let's assume he was, but needed the elite array; so let's call him CR 3. A large-sized spider: CR 2. Two medium spiders: CR 1 each. To my count, that's a total of: Six CR 1/3; Two CR 1; One CR 2; One CR 3; and Six CR 4 creatures. Total EL: Approx. 9. No wonder you guys got your butts kicked. Granted, the EL system tends to overestimate EL for a bunch of low level monsters, but those six CR 4 creatures alone push the EL up to 9. The rest is just butter on top. Now, as to the abuseability of the CR system vis-a-vis the npc classes, I'll just point out that a fighter 4 and a fighter 4/warrior 1 have the same CR. Just a tip to all the rat bastard dms out there. ;) [/QUOTE]

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