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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Andor" data-source="post: 4104295" data-attributes="member: 1879">You don't get it at all aparently. I don't dislike 4e, and I have no idea if I will play it or not. I would very much like to like 4e, but I have not yet formed a concrete opinion, and will not untill I actually see it and possibly not untill I play it. This is not a forum for mindless hate of 4e nor is it a place for mindless love of an unseen system. We still don't know enough about 4e, that's why we are discussing it and dissecting each bit we find. We don't yet know how the rules address the PC's trying to use the tricks of the picador. The harpoon could be a listed weapon in the PHB, we don't know. The rules for the picador in the MM may address the problem, we don't know. I do know however that in 1st and 2nd edition D&D you had monsters pop up with weird weapons with no particular guidelines for how these things interacted with PCs. And so it was up to individual GM's to adjudicate, and some handled it well and some handled it poorly. If 4e has sufficient slop in it that the game will start to vary wildly between individual tables as different GMs take on these gaps in the rules differently we will be returning to an era in D&D where it was harder to find a game that suited any given player. That made it harder to play becuase a poor GM could make the game so much worse, and you approached every new table with trepidation. And so I note that this is something for me to look for when 4e comes out, so I can form an informed opinion at that time.I discuss it here, because it is a concern of mine for 4e, and this is a forum for discussion of 4e. It's not mindless hatred and naysaying, it's a point of concern raised by the incompleteness of the information we have.</blockquote>

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