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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Faolyn" data-source="post: 8528920" data-attributes="member: 6915329">There's actually a lot more types of goblinoids than just goblins, bugbears, and hobgoblins. Norkers, varag, koalinths, dekanters, possibly mongrelfolk, and the old Kara Tur MC appendix suggested that bakemono were a type of goblin as well. And as of this edition, tasloi are a type of goblin as well. The art for the tasloi is definitely the most fey-like of all the goblinoid art (if among hardest for some of us to see properly):[ATTACH=full]150927[/ATTACH]There's probably more goblinoids I can't think of.I like this synopsis, and it certainly puts their eternal war in perspective. I'd probably use something very similar to this for my games (except that one of them is Ravenloft, and the other doesn't even have goblins in it).It's interesting to look at some of the game's early lore under the light of their new fey origins. Dragon #63, for instance, included the following: "Hobgoblin culture generally encourages a lifelong rejection of emotional displays, in keeping with the proper attitude of a warrior race. But on a personal level, the average non-leader hobgoblin will sometimes show his or her feelings, though usually only when alone or when it is believed no one else is looking." (It goes on to say that the reason hobgoblins hate elves is because elves are so free with their emotions.) Did Maglubiyet forbid emotions, perhaps as a reaction to elfin fey, or was this a survival technique they learned on their own?However...The war between goblinoids and orcs is one that has been around for so long that D&D had to keep it in, of course, presumably for much of the same reason why demons and devils are at constant war with each other--to help explain why they haven't killed or conquered everyone else. But in-universe, it makes me wonder why Maglubiyet isn't trying to conquer elves, gnomes, or other fey-descended people. Of all the mortal creatures, why is he so interested in orcs? Why not humans or dwarfs? Does he want to replace hoboblins with something stronger? Create a superior hoborc hybrid master race? Does he just really hate Gruumsh?</blockquote>

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