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<blockquote data-quote="Faolyn" data-source="post: 8529363" data-attributes="member: 6915329"><p>Wow, I completely missed that. Sorry.</p><p></p><p></p><p>That might depend on what sort of fey the goblins were. They were quite probably Unseelie, and while Unseelie doesn't automatically equal evil, it does so much of the time. (My personal take on fey is: fey see humanoids as animals. Seelie see humanoids as beloved pets, or as exotic menagerie animals, to be treated well and coddled; Unseelie see them as prey animals, or as lab rats. I run horror, mostly; can you tell?) Changing fey to goblins may therefore have been more of a lateral move, in terms of personality. </p><p></p><p>Perhaps if they were still fey, they'd be beholden to greater fey laws (you know the type: can't lie or can only lie, can be bound by contracts, subjected to <em>protection from evil and good, </em>etc.), which is what Maglubiyet here wanted to avoid. Or it could be that changing their creature type was an unintended side effect of whatever else Maggie did to them--just because he's a god, it doesn't mean that he's actually good at what he's doing. </p><p></p><p>But <em>anyway, </em>if they were already Unseelie, then I'm not 100% sure that having emotions would be enough to make them hate him, especially since it's only the hobgoblins who don't show emotions--goblins, bugbears, et al are fine with them. That being said--assuming the prohibition against showing emotions does come from on high--it could be that this is just a power play on Maggie's part. A cultist type thing: get the followers to shun a basic, natural thing, and they effectively exclude themselves from outside society.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Or perhaps he's conquered another race and turned them into goblinoids. We haven't seen atomies or grigs in 5e yet, have we? That's because Maglubiyet turned them all into tasloi.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm less fond of this idea, but for completely meta-reasons: I find I dislike it when there are "advanced" versions of races that were <em>clearly </em>made only so that there could be higher-level fights using the same creatures, even if it doesn't make sense in-universe. This was endemic in the 3x MMs, like when they had all those weirdly mutated chromatic dragonspawn-things created by Tiamat, even though the idea of her creating such things is bizarre to me.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Faolyn, post: 8529363, member: 6915329"] Wow, I completely missed that. Sorry. That might depend on what sort of fey the goblins were. They were quite probably Unseelie, and while Unseelie doesn't automatically equal evil, it does so much of the time. (My personal take on fey is: fey see humanoids as animals. Seelie see humanoids as beloved pets, or as exotic menagerie animals, to be treated well and coddled; Unseelie see them as prey animals, or as lab rats. I run horror, mostly; can you tell?) Changing fey to goblins may therefore have been more of a lateral move, in terms of personality. Perhaps if they were still fey, they'd be beholden to greater fey laws (you know the type: can't lie or can only lie, can be bound by contracts, subjected to [I]protection from evil and good, [/I]etc.), which is what Maglubiyet here wanted to avoid. Or it could be that changing their creature type was an unintended side effect of whatever else Maggie did to them--just because he's a god, it doesn't mean that he's actually good at what he's doing. But [I]anyway, [/I]if they were already Unseelie, then I'm not 100% sure that having emotions would be enough to make them hate him, especially since it's only the hobgoblins who don't show emotions--goblins, bugbears, et al are fine with them. That being said--assuming the prohibition against showing emotions does come from on high--it could be that this is just a power play on Maggie's part. A cultist type thing: get the followers to shun a basic, natural thing, and they effectively exclude themselves from outside society. Or perhaps he's conquered another race and turned them into goblinoids. We haven't seen atomies or grigs in 5e yet, have we? That's because Maglubiyet turned them all into tasloi. I'm less fond of this idea, but for completely meta-reasons: I find I dislike it when there are "advanced" versions of races that were [I]clearly [/I]made only so that there could be higher-level fights using the same creatures, even if it doesn't make sense in-universe. This was endemic in the 3x MMs, like when they had all those weirdly mutated chromatic dragonspawn-things created by Tiamat, even though the idea of her creating such things is bizarre to me. [/QUOTE]
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