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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Oni" data-source="post: 5942730" data-attributes="member: 380">It's possible, I may be been overly generous with lighting at points especially around the cave mouth, the area was noted as dim and I went with that.  I never bothered to count squares when it came to that or the light spell in the interest of keeping things moving.  However they only managed to ambush the goblins once, they heard them coming from the passage on the east side that runs SE, so they goblins wouldn't have line of sight in my estimation.  And they hid around the corner in the north/south tunnel that runs perpendicular to the east/west tunnel at the entrance, so they were completely hidden from view until the goblin messengers started to walk past them.  The only other time surprise came up was when the goblins surpised them because the party forgot the goblins could see in the dark and decided to proceed trying to get by on the characters with lowlight vision being able to sort of see to lead everyone, but that is more than have the party that treats the darkness as just shadowy.  However you do raise an interesting point I forgot to mention the player of the Rogue had a moment of annoyance when he realized that he couldn't scout the cave because he couldn't see without a light, and if he had a light he couldn't hide.  When I pointed out that rogues get lowlight vision (more or less) at level 2 that was met with general approval all around, noting that a Rogue should be able to do their job regardless of race.</blockquote>

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