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<blockquote data-quote="Morrus" data-source="post: 9647520" data-attributes="member: 1"><p>You keep saying that, but that's not what the common objection to AI art is about. Folks' ethical issues with it aren't because they think it's too easy (buying stock art is easy, too, but they have no ethical issues with that), it's because the art, no matter how much you change it, was stolen to begin with--and those artists also spent many thousands of hours honing their crafts before having their work scraped by AI companies.</p><p></p><p>Now, a lot of people will endlessly wrangle over the word 'stolen' because, sure, it's shorthand for a more complicated issue, and I've no interest in those semantic rabbit-holes. I'll leave that to the courts. But again--from a practical business point of view, and ignoring the ethics--the fact that so many people (including me, for the record) view it that way is what matters. So even if the ethics don't trouble you, the optics should from a marketing point of view.</p><p></p><p>I think the fact that you keep talking about having sunk so many hours into it that you can't go back is kind of a distraction from the core issue. From an outside stance, my question then is how could you not know that the use of AI was a problematic issue in this industry before you started? It's raged across these very forums in dozens of threads hundreds of pages long for the last couple of years, it's affected multiple companies in the industry, is the subject of dozens of lawsuits, and it's been in the news pretty much constantly. Being in this position where you're about to launch, after thousands of hours of work, and folks are only now finding out that the art is AI, seems to have been an avoidable situation with a little more planning early on.</p><p></p><p>Sorry to be so blunt, but it did seem that you weren't addressing what the objection of some of your potential customers actually was. I wish you well, and hope you manage to resolve this problem. It's an intriguing project; I can't support it while it is associated with issues I have ethical issue with, but I do sympathise with the dilemma you find yourself in. I hope you find a solution. Good luck! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Morrus, post: 9647520, member: 1"] You keep saying that, but that's not what the common objection to AI art is about. Folks' ethical issues with it aren't because they think it's too easy (buying stock art is easy, too, but they have no ethical issues with that), it's because the art, no matter how much you change it, was stolen to begin with--and those artists also spent many thousands of hours honing their crafts before having their work scraped by AI companies. Now, a lot of people will endlessly wrangle over the word 'stolen' because, sure, it's shorthand for a more complicated issue, and I've no interest in those semantic rabbit-holes. I'll leave that to the courts. But again--from a practical business point of view, and ignoring the ethics--the fact that so many people (including me, for the record) view it that way is what matters. So even if the ethics don't trouble you, the optics should from a marketing point of view. I think the fact that you keep talking about having sunk so many hours into it that you can't go back is kind of a distraction from the core issue. From an outside stance, my question then is how could you not know that the use of AI was a problematic issue in this industry before you started? It's raged across these very forums in dozens of threads hundreds of pages long for the last couple of years, it's affected multiple companies in the industry, is the subject of dozens of lawsuits, and it's been in the news pretty much constantly. Being in this position where you're about to launch, after thousands of hours of work, and folks are only now finding out that the art is AI, seems to have been an avoidable situation with a little more planning early on. Sorry to be so blunt, but it did seem that you weren't addressing what the objection of some of your potential customers actually was. I wish you well, and hope you manage to resolve this problem. It's an intriguing project; I can't support it while it is associated with issues I have ethical issue with, but I do sympathise with the dilemma you find yourself in. I hope you find a solution. Good luck! :) [/QUOTE]
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