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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Upper_Krust" data-source="post: 9652156" data-attributes="member: 326">Those all sound like really cool ideas, although I still think isolating ranks is just giving you (the designer) and the GM some combination of more work/less options.You are giving yourself exponentially more work with this approach......but you do love designing monsters. :+)D&D is largely built on the idea that epic characters can Challenge even a Demon Prince.Personally I think that's a stretch but if you have a Party of Level 20 characters you can battle Hero-deities, Quasi-deities and even Demigods (though likely not in their Divine Realm/Home Plane) with my rules.My version of Orcus (in the book) is CR 28 and on his own not in his Divine Realm is equal to 10 Epic Tier PCs. On his home plane with his Mythic Form - he is worth more like 20 Epic PCs. Added to which his listed "Throne Room Encounter" is:1 Single PC faces Orcus + 1d6 Wraiths2 PCs face Orcus + 1d6 Wraiths + a Lich3 PCs face Orcus + 1d6 Wraiths + a Lich + a Balor4 PCs face Orcus + 1d6 Wraiths + a Lich + a Balor + a Nightwalker5 PCs face Orcus + 1d6 Wraiths + a Lich + a Balor + a Nightwalker + a Molydeusetc.The Lich, Balor, Nightwalker and Molydeus would each be worth (on paper) 3 Epic PCs themselves.Also one of his Lair Actions is 1d3 Wraith reinforcements just come through the walls.So realistically to defeat Orcus on his home plane you would need (bare minimum) a party of Quasi-deities, more likely probably Demigods.Seems like you are leaning into a D&D Immortals Set homage.</blockquote>

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