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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Evilhalfling" data-source="post: 2880436" data-attributes="member: 16991">I consider most to be nigh unkilable - but the campaign worlds history includes a demonlords avatar waying waste to half a contient, and eventually being slain.  The PCs are activily thwarting the appearnce of another Demon lords avatar.  He is served by lvl 17 archvillians - so he is stronger than that.  The gods are very hands off, and may not actually have material forms.  One PC went on a personal quest to meet the god of honor. After he was invoulentraily planeshifted to the Celestial Realm.  He came back as a paladin, but we handed waved it away as he tried out a new pc for a few sessions instead.  He never found the god, only angelic spokesmen. Of course Now Im encouraging them to attack the prince of Evil Earth Elementals - on his home plane.  He is the weakest of the Elemental princes having virtually no influence on the prime.  It might solve some philisophical problems if they only fight an Avatar, they don't wish him ill in particular, but are trying to forge a ring of elemental command.  As I write this Im reconsidering, perhaps they only need to steal a posession, and Flee from the EEEPperhaps I will use a Elemental Monolith? or Elder? with a Paragon Template.</blockquote>