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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Shemeska" data-source="post: 2881374" data-attributes="member: 11697">Neither of them have stats unless we're talking about avatars. If PCs need to interact on some sort of personal, direct basis with an archfiend or a diety, they're going to do so with an avatar, a proxy, some sort of lesser manifestation. Anything more than that and as mortal PCs they simply do not, short of some macguffin, have the ability to exist on the same plateau as those entities.And for those of you familiar with <a href="http://www.enworld.org/showthread.php?t=77613" target="_blank">my first storyhour</a> you'll know that I'm not at all shy about involving the PCs in plots involving such beings, having them interact with those beings, and in what way they can do so, having meaningful interaction regardless of the harsh difference in power. Just because those beings don't have stats (I'd argue they cannot be appropriately defined and encompased by the system mechanics), don't assume my vision of the planes involves a static multiverse. Oh heck no. It's been a bloody time in the planes of conflict, Elysium is missing a layer, and that's just about 1/3 into the story. In the words of the immortal Count Von Count, "But wait, there's more."Why don't gods smack down archfiends? Because for the most part they're incapable of it on the home planes of the fiends, or to do so would leave them so drained of power that they would be ripped apart by other enemies (and the same goes for the fiends). The fiends largely ignore a deities divine domains on their planes at large, and the deities don't stick their hands in the politics of the fiends. The fiends predate the gods, and they take a decidedly longer term view of things, though one less obsessed with the prime material than gods are (being that gods are dependant on worship). Worlds will die on the prime material, gods will lose their believers' faith, and the Astral will grow thick with more and more husks of dead, forgotten deities, and the fiends will still be there regardless.</blockquote>

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