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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 4474143" data-attributes="member: 2011">Fair enough.kSorry, I often get Slide and Shift confused. My bad. Old timers disease. A Cleric could use Command on himself to Slide out of a grab for example.Agreed. Swarm of Snakes does not work.But, most PCs cannot grab Yuan-Ti Anathema because most PCs are medium and Yuan-Ti Anathema are Huge.It's a conflict of rules. Phasing allows movement through creatures. Grabbing disallows movement. One allows. One disallows. Which one trumps? Sounds like the same question as a Wall disallows movement through it. Phasing allows movement through obstacles. Which one trumps?From a plausibility standpoint, phasing. The opposing ruling is a bit nonsensical. It can move through creatures, but cannot. Huh? The rule is not that it can move through a creatures square, the rule is that it can move through a creature.Last I checked, Dwarves cannot grab Fire Titans because Dwarves are medium and Fire Titans are Huge.And, the vast majority of creatures (and most situations) are affected by Double Attack. Grab is fairly worthless against a Fire Titan. It has a Reflex of 33. To even grab him, your Fighter example at +17 to hit (if the Fighter was Large) needs a 16 or higher. Out of that list of 12, 6 are more or less immune to Grab (at least by Medium sized opponents) and 3 although not immune, have other ways besides Escape to get out. Most of these creatures are extremely hard to grab in the first place as well.Legion Devil Legionnaire Minion 100% TeleportGhaele of Winder 100% TeleportTormenting Ghost 100% PhasingFire Titan 100% HugeMarut Blademaster 100% TeleportYuan-ti Anathema 100% HugeLarva Mage, 25% chance to Grab, Worm's Feast + 20% EscapeDark Naga, 25% chance to Grab, Vision of Death + Word of Orcus + 25% EscapeDeathpriest Hierophant, 25% chance to Grab, Lure + Psychic Miasma + 20% Escape (Aura of Decay)Angel of Valor Legionnaire, 35% chance to Grab, 25% EscapeWild Hunt Hound 25% chance to Grab, 50% EscapeGiant Mummy, 30% chance to Grab (Despair), 15% EscapeFor most of these creatures, it's easier to hit them with a power than it is to grab them.</blockquote>

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