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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Gold Roger" data-source="post: 3681256" data-attributes="member: 33904">Now, I'll completely ignore the interesting philosophyl, literature and culture discussions going on and take a purely gamist standpoint.The whole discussion pretty much becomes moot when we are talking about PC races in a RPG. And considering this is all about elves and dwarfes and we are in general RPG discussion, I'll decree by my own arrogance that this is the case.Unless you are playing with people that play the game to explore the meaning of humanity, it's almost impossible to enforce the standpoint of alien nonhumans on a player. Heck, even in deep gaming groups it's often impossible to keep the cultures among PC's streight, because it's just not part of the game for which people come to the table.PC races are a bunch of stereotypes, mechanical stats and, yes, funny suits, people use to enhance their joy in the game. Whatever that means to an individual gamer, I've yet to meet the one for which that means an actual alienation of mind.Now, if where talking about monsters and other nonplayer entities, the thought of an alien mindset becomes more interesting. And in the light of a recent quote from the OP downright exiting from a gaming standpoint:Incorporating the alien mindset of a Dragon, Demon or even Orc into the defining parts of the game allow us to explore the interesting discussions I ignored here as well as the gaming world, but more importantly allow for unique and new game situations that directly involve the PC's.And that without frustrating them with (equally frustrated) DMs that demand from them Elves that are just not humans with pointy ears and instead of windowdressing that will bore many players to death.</blockquote>

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