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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 8327002" data-attributes="member: 7030563">Their lack of ability to get weapon specailization and extra attacks made Clerics a D, as compared to a F for everyone else other than a fighter or cavalier.  The cleric's base THACO was the same as the fighters at 1st level, and at 2nd level if you did not use the footnote in the fighter table increasing it by  one at evey even level.  Despite base THACO being the same the fighter typically had a higher strength and usually had a +3 for specilization.  This means at first level his effective THACO was about roughly equal to a 10th level cleric, and on top of that he got 3 attacks every two rounds (or one attack per level against creatures with less than 1HD), plus a potential offhand attack.  Meanwhile the cleric is permanently stuck at 1 attack a round and can't use a weapon that is eligible for an offhand attack.'The exception to this is Drow Clerics with a high strength.  They clould wield 2 flails and could be decent, I will say a "C", in combat, with the Fighter and Ranger being A+, Paladin and Cavalier being a A and the Barbarian being a B.Backstab was not great, you could only do it once a combat and only if you managed to hide successfully before the combat started.  Even then you did a maximum of 1d8+strength times bacstab multiplier.  Strength usually wasn't high and on a thief it capped at +2 damage and without specialization that is usually less than a fighter can do on a single attack without being hidden, and he is getting multiple attacks.  I think fighter had overcome +4 to hit bonus Thieves got to hit on a backstab by 4th level.Missiles were not any better, you could do 2d6 with bows or 3-9 with darts.</blockquote>

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