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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Summer-Knight925" data-source="post: 5756678" data-attributes="member: 80297">I actually find retro clones to my likingmy favorite would have to be DCCRPGBUT that being said, I think I am actually done with WoTC, from a business standpoint I feel fairly betrayed, not to mention them being owned by Hasbro means they're going to market things a certain way (ahem, miniatures)Whether or not 5e goes back, forward or comes from farther left field than 4e did (which what I mean is how the game changed) I think I'll stay with Paizo, Palladium, and other companies.one more thing, THAC0 is an interesting concept, but I do have to say, Ascending armor class makes things easier IMO, however, my favorite armor system would have to be Fantasy Flight with Deathwatch (and I assume other of their systems) with rolling under, as in "is your character good enough to hit them?"hits my fancythats my two cents, time for internet pitbulls to tear me apart.</blockquote>