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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Wraith-Hunter" data-source="post: 3317259" data-attributes="member: 48298">I haven't read all the latest replies so if I repeat something others have said then forgive me.I brought up the topic of bible quotes and CCW in church. I am agnostic and do not go to church, so have nothign invested in that. From the original post we did not have any information on the year this took place in (a big deal in any topic on firearms), Nor the characters background etc.To the mods or other posters, with the information at the time, the intent was to show that there are plenty of people who do bring firearms to church (modern day as we didn't know it was '25). These people go through the trouble and expense to get the proper permits and licences to do so. They can not get these permits if they have a criminal record, domestic violence restraining orders and so forth. Basically average people who desire to protect thier familly. They are not paraniod. This was done to inform the OP that this happens every Sunday across the nation. I can't speak for other nations outside of the US as I am not as familliar with their laws or customs. Most people not involved in firearms would not know this information. Simply to point out that it takes place and is no big deal.I also hate 'facts' with nothing to back them up so hence the link.I happen to have a great number of familly members who are the pacifist version of Christians so I am familliar with their arguments, hence the bible stuff. Not to spark a religious debate. I have no personal religion but respect other peoples even if I disagree with them. In fact I view a persons religion as SACRED. I don't try to convert anyone or change anyones mind and hate when others try to get me to join their religion.I also know plenty of Christians who are the 'praise the lord pass the ammunition' type. (Meant as tounge in cheek in good fun not deragatively). I also tried to show how a GM who may not be into firearms and the applicable laws could provide some framework to limit metagaming with out just saying "your character wouldn't do that!" I always HATED when another player or the GM tried that line in any game I played. So I provided other information on how it could be nixed from a real world stand point. Again at the time we did not know the year this was taking place, so most of it was geared to modern times. I have also not played CoC and do not know the firearm rules, proficiencies etc. IRL a sawed off shot gun is nearly useless past a few feet no matter what you load it with. More likely to wound or piss the bad guy off unless at point blank range. It would be a substandard weapon and pretty much used because you have nothing better. I am also aware that some people on this thread will not like firearms and never will. To each his own. Nothing I can say would change their mind, and is not my intent in any way. I would not force them to use or own one and simply expect the same respect. Live and let live. As long as I am not hurting anyone leave me alone.IN regards to a sawed off blowing up if you cut it down. It won't. The shorter it is the more the shot load will spread and make a looser pattern, and the slower the protectile/s will be. You don't have to be a gun smith, just get a hacksaw. In '25 you could buy shot guns shorter than 18" barrels, and the culture had a much different attitude towards firearms than they do now, and most americans would have passing familliarity with their operation. They would also not do things in as much as a safty conciencous manner as gun users in general would today. Though most would not be reckless. Im not sure how CoC handles short barreled shot guns, but if it is anything like how D&D handles the weights of various weapons (2-8x's heavier than they would be), then I would not be surprised to see it as an effective weapon, which it is not. Give me a 1911 instead.To close it does not sound like the Keeper, who I assume is the GM, had a chat about what the characters would expect in terms of the super natural and firearm laws of the time. I don't know what gun laws 1925 NYC had and I know way more about gun laws than I want to know, and I am into firearms. So it is not unreasonable to assume the GM had any idea about the laws or culture of the time. Frankly the GM didn't seem to have a problem, just one or more players. And it seems like the problem was his preconceptions on church being a proper place to bring a firearm. Not the arm in question, which as a GM I would have had an issue with, and would have houseruled any approriate stats to reflect real world performace characteristics. Which is one reason why I don't play games with firearms as I know too much about them and the laws that I would not be able to susspend disbelief in the rules. So I stick to D&D, I know less about swords bows and magic.</blockquote>

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