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<blockquote data-quote="N'raac" data-source="post: 6198641" data-attributes="member: 6681948">Of course, this requires a 13 CHA, and leaves out one target for each point of your CHA bonus.&nbsp; How high will your Cleric's CHA be, needing to also focus on the Tank roll?&nbsp; It does make healing in combat viable, but just as your Barbarian is invested in a high CHA Barbarian, you should be invested in your character.&nbsp; If that means no healing in combat, maybe that's what it means.&nbsp; Personally, I prefer interesting characters, even if they are&nbsp; not 100% optimized or the team does not fill all classic roles, so I'm biased on this.I wouldn't say &quot;optimal&quot;, but the Cleric list has a host of very situational spells.&nbsp; Knowing that you can sub it out for another Cure if you don't need to, say, Neutralize Poison or Restore stat damage makes it easier to include these &quot;unlikely to be needed but critical if it is&quot; spells in your typical repertoire.I think this highlights the need to assess your stats - you'll need CHA 13 for Selective Channelling (which gets more versatile with a higher CHA bonus), STR 13 for Power Attack (and Melee), DEX 13 for Combat Reflexes (and AC), CON for hp, INT if you want skills and, oh yeah, WIS is your spellcasting stat (so do you want bonus spells for more healing?).&nbsp; You're not going to have a high score in all of them, so you'll have to make some decisions on where to focus.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="N'raac, post: 6198641, member: 6681948"] Of course, this requires a 13 CHA, and leaves out one target for each point of your CHA bonus. How high will your Cleric's CHA be, needing to also focus on the Tank roll? It does make healing in combat viable, but just as your Barbarian is invested in a high CHA Barbarian, you should be invested in your character. If that means no healing in combat, maybe that's what it means. Personally, I prefer interesting characters, even if they are not 100% optimized or the team does not fill all classic roles, so I'm biased on this. I wouldn't say "optimal", but the Cleric list has a host of very situational spells. Knowing that you can sub it out for another Cure if you don't need to, say, Neutralize Poison or Restore stat damage makes it easier to include these "unlikely to be needed but critical if it is" spells in your typical repertoire. I think this highlights the need to assess your stats - you'll need CHA 13 for Selective Channelling (which gets more versatile with a higher CHA bonus), STR 13 for Power Attack (and Melee), DEX 13 for Combat Reflexes (and AC), CON for hp, INT if you want skills and, oh yeah, WIS is your spellcasting stat (so do you want bonus spells for more healing?). You're not going to have a high score in all of them, so you'll have to make some decisions on where to focus. [/QUOTE]

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