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<blockquote data-quote="Mark Chance" data-source="post: 1314466" data-attributes="member: 2795"><p>Regarding Aztecs:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Then you've ignored a good hunk of the historical situation that made so many human sacrifices possible.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>(<em>emphasis added</em>)</p><p></p><p>*snip!*</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The conflation occurs because you apparently equate what you believe to be true with what actually is true. Positions that do not conform with your belief are excluded <em>a priori</em> as possible (or so it can easily appear).</p><p></p><p>By the same token, consider arguments that state: Culture A believed Y; and culture B believe not-Y; therefore, there are no objectively true moral judgments. The conclusion does not follow from the premises because it does not consider the possibility that in fact either culture A is right and culture B is wrong, or vice versa, or that neither culture is right. In any event, since is quite likely absurd to say Y and not-Y are both true, the fundamental flaw in the argument should be obvious.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Assume for a moment that the following statement is true: There are no universal, objective moral principles.</p><p></p><p>Is that statement itself a universal, moral principle? If so, it is a self-contradiction; it is meaningless. If it is not a universal, moral principle, then it is false because it cannot said to completely govern the realm of moral principles.</p><p></p><p>Still, assume that, despite the self-contradiction, the statement is still true. Then there is no morality at all. If all moral principles are equally true, then all are equally false. Both <em>reductio ad absurdum</em> and simple common sense show the ridiculousness of such a position.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The threat of violence prompted by a particular form of expression is not a good way to judge the truth of that expression.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mark Chance, post: 1314466, member: 2795"] Regarding Aztecs: Then you've ignored a good hunk of the historical situation that made so many human sacrifices possible. ([i]emphasis added[/i]) *snip!* The conflation occurs because you apparently equate what you believe to be true with what actually is true. Positions that do not conform with your belief are excluded [i]a priori[/i] as possible (or so it can easily appear). By the same token, consider arguments that state: Culture A believed Y; and culture B believe not-Y; therefore, there are no objectively true moral judgments. The conclusion does not follow from the premises because it does not consider the possibility that in fact either culture A is right and culture B is wrong, or vice versa, or that neither culture is right. In any event, since is quite likely absurd to say Y and not-Y are both true, the fundamental flaw in the argument should be obvious. Assume for a moment that the following statement is true: There are no universal, objective moral principles. Is that statement itself a universal, moral principle? If so, it is a self-contradiction; it is meaningless. If it is not a universal, moral principle, then it is false because it cannot said to completely govern the realm of moral principles. Still, assume that, despite the self-contradiction, the statement is still true. Then there is no morality at all. If all moral principles are equally true, then all are equally false. Both [i]reductio ad absurdum[/i] and simple common sense show the ridiculousness of such a position. The threat of violence prompted by a particular form of expression is not a good way to judge the truth of that expression. [/QUOTE]
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