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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 8614775" data-attributes="member: 7030563">Assuming Halfling with the same stats and the second chance feat at 4th level.  I bolded the things I think are really significant and put the comparative large weaknesses in red.At 5th level this triple class character has:16 base AC, 21 AC with shield, patient defense32hps, can Charisma save vs damage to keep from going to 0 hpproficiency in Con and CharismaMove 35Darkvision 120 feet6 spells (Silvery Barbs, Shield as Sorcerer, Darkness, Darkvision, Pass Without Trace and Silence as a Monk)2 1st level spell slots5 cantrips (BB, GFB, message Mage Hand as sorcerer, Minor Illusion as Monk)0 sorcery points3 kisecond wind 1d10+1No Action SurgeDamage to 1 target using cantrip - 13 (18.5 to 2 targets) - (1d10 Warhammer, 1d8 GFB, 3Dex, 5.5 to second target)Damage using attack action and martial arts - 16 (1d10 Warhammer+1d8 martial arts+6)23.5 damage using flurry of blows (1d10+2d8+9).patent defense, step of the wind, no stunning strike5th level Sorcerer:14 base AC, 19AC with shield, second chance27 hps, Can Charisma save vs damage to keep from going to 0 hpproficiency in con and charismaMove 25Darkvision 120 feet9 spell slots, 6 spells known plus darkness5 cantrips5 Sorcery Points0 kino second windno action surgeDamage to 1 target using cantrip - 10 (15.5 to two targets) (1d4Dagger +1d8GFB+4Dex, 5.5 to 2nd target)no martial arts, no FOB, no Monk spells, no stunning strike5th level fighter16 AC, 21 with shield, second chance40hpsProficiency in Con and StrMove 25No darkvision3 spell slots, 4 spells known (probably shield, Absorb Elements, PEG, Silvery Barbs)2 cantrips0 sorcery points0 kisecond wind 1d10+5Action SurgeDamage to 1 target using cantrip - 13 (18.5 total to 2 targets) (1d8Rapier+1d8GFB+4Dex, 5.5 to 2nd target)Damage attack action (extra attack) - 17 (2d8+8)No martial arts or FOBNo Patient defense, no step of wind, no Monk spells, No stunning strike5th level Monk17 base AC, no shield, second chance, patient defense for disadvantage33hpsproficiency in STR and DexMove 35No Darkvision4 Spells (Darkness, Darkvision, Pass Without Trace or Silence)1 Cantrip (Minor Illusion)5 kiNo 2nd WindNo Action SurgeNo Damage cantripDamage using extra attack and martial arts (2d8+1d6+12) 24.5Damage using FOB 32 (2D8+2D6+16)patent defense, step of the wind, stunning strikeThis is intended to be a melee build so a single class Sorcerer is a difficult comparison and is behind in damage, AC and hp.  He can undoubtedly make up for that in spells but that is beyond the scope of what I am looking to do.  Compared to a straight monk and a straight fighter, the multiclass keeps up with the fighter in damage (due in part to d10 dex weapons) and is roughly as good defensively while having more spells, better movement, Darkvision but no action surge.  Compared to a straight Monk it does less damage and does not have stunning strike but is much better defensively, has more spells, better weapons and darkvision.Also keep in mind here we are comparing 5th level specifically and while the Monk is substantially outrunning the other three in damage, he would be well behind the triple class in damage at 3rd and 4th level due to fighting style and cantrips.IME the biggest weakness of the Monk in tier 2 is defense, that is what I am trying to shore up.</blockquote>

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