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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 8615174" data-attributes="member: 87792">Can you run the math on what you claim the general case is here? Especially in the cantrip case. Are you doing something like assuming that Greenflame Blade gets two targets most of the time.Only a dex based fighter - which is giving up a lot of the fighter's power.Because Hex is well known to be free and concentration checks always pass.And no. Assuming one handed duelist style booming blade + hex = 1d6 + 1d8 damage. On the other hand a longsword + duelist attack = 1d8 STR + 2 = 1d8 + 5 or 1d8+6 depending on the STR boost. You do more damage if and only if the booming blade rider triggers.Yes, an Undead Warlock in specific has a really strong multiclass.Unarmoured defence is just bad if you don't start with it. And unless your stats are utterly unreasonable you're normally getting a studded leather equivalent or possibly +1AC over that. Nope.Is useful - but not utterly overwhelming.Useful - but the idea is to knock them down before they do you. Possibly worth it for barbarians.Lol. One handed weapons go up from 1d6 to 1d8. Two handed weapons are a weird choice for classes that don't have them.And an extra attack is huge.Of course. Which is why if you were looking at a skill based class with two attacks (and you want expertise) you should treat the ranger as the baseline. Level 5 is, of course, when they get Pass Without Trace.So why did you pick the class you did?And if you have a 4th level sorcerer with 13 Cha and 18 Int I can only ask why????Yes, it's possible to make characters that are obviously optimised for one class and then go into another for the sake of argument. But the character would have been best advised to not go into sorcerer in the first place and instead been a wizard or artificer all along.I'm sorry but "Multiclassing from Sorcerer to Wizard with a 13 Cha and 18 Int character can work" is a silly argument.They have more spells known - but know precisely zero top level spells. And once more this is cherry picking; the sorcerer is known to be the weakest full spellcaster because they have too few spells known.And just adding to that a level 5 sorcerer with either the Aberrant Mind or Clockwork Soul subclass would know 12 spells.Also seriously. "An 18 Int 13 Cha sorcerer" and then criticising spells known. You know what would be more effective with Int 18 Cha 13 than Wizard 1/Sorcerer 4? Wizard 2/Sorcerer 3. You know what would be more effective still with that stat spread? Wizard 3/Sorcerer 2. You know what would be even more effective? Wizard 4/Sorcerer 1. And you know the most effective full caster with that stat spread? Wizard 5 and never having gone into sorcerer. And if you are going to multiclass out of wizard it's either a level of cleric or one of artificer for spells known and spell versatility. And armour (which sorcerers don't get)So better late than never. But your argument here boils down to "If you picked the wrong class for your stat spread it's better to go in later than never".There are some very edge cases where multiclassing before 5 can work. Like making an objectively bad choice for your opening class. But they are few and far between and you need to either make a mess of your math or find pretty cherry-picked situations for most of them.</blockquote>

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