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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 8615879" data-attributes="member: 87792">This is confusing me for two reasons:<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Why a 16 in their primary stat at level 4. What have you done with the ASI/feat?</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">What's the fighting style? Normally I expect a rapier wielder especially in light armour to use the Duelist fighting style.</li> </ul>I'd therefore expect the baseline DPR to be 21 not 15 assuming both attacks hit. And this to only shift the single attack damage by 3.Indeed. You're massively un-optimising the fighter. Then showing that if you de-optimise the fighter hard enough that you can put it far enough behind the curve to make multiclassing seem worth it.And now we're adding conditions that you haven't elsewhere followed through on. None of your multiclasses there were multiclassing into rogue.I also think that my next question is pretty obvious. In a post-Tasha's world why are you playing a dex based fighter and considering multiclassing when the ranger exists? I mean pretty clearly you've said you want more skills - you get that out of being a ranger. You've said you want Hex - but Hunter's Mark is a much better melee spell because it doesn't have a somatic component thus doesn't require a free hand to cast.  You have second level spells including the amazing Pass Without Trace. About the only thing you give up from picking a ranger not a fighter that you haven't already discarded (such as heavy armour and a greatweapon when you went for a dex/rapier) or got a solid equivalent for like Goodberry for Second Wind is Action Surge. Which admittedly isn't nothing but is way less than you get. Is there something you want that much out of the subclass - like the Echo Knight's Echo.So once again we find that if you are looking at a badly built character a multiclass can be better.No he can't. He only gets that second spell slot at level 2 in the warlock class - and warlock casting doesn't stack with anything else.Sometimes. Meanwhile the gap is a lot larger than you've claimed unless you specifically make bad choices for the fighter.To put this in perspective go Ranger 5 instead and you're getting a skill, an expertise, two languages, second level spells, favoured foe, hunter's mark, and you still get your second attack. Oh, and you're a caster with second level spells while the eldritch knight would be stuck at first level. Once more this is a bad case of "you can multiclass to be better than an extremely badly optimised character". I guess thieves can't...You were justifying things in terms of damage. If you want a fighter that specialises in staying alive go for the subclass.This is the pogo stick argument. You can take part in combat by bouncing round on a pogo stick. It mathematically works in any game where pogo sticks have mechanics.  In that sense all your multiclasses work. But only in that sense.Yay! Congratulations! You made a level 8 character that didn't know any spells higher than second level. (They passed through 4S/4W). And Quicken Spell in 5e isn't that great; if you don't have multiple attacks the main thing it allows you to do is cast another cantrip. You suggest elsewhere a bladesinger? Bladesingers are, when push comes to shove, extremely squishy until they start burning through their spell slots on the Shield spell; they do not have a whole lot of hit points and even when bladesinging their AC isn't amazing. The lack of power in your spells relative to where you should be means that I would struggle to come up with a worse 8th level multiclass than Wizard 4/Sorcerer 4 - and in general I would expect a Wizard 5 to be more effective.</blockquote>

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