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Good cleric summoning evil?
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<blockquote data-quote="coyote6" data-source="post: 5098570" data-attributes="member: 1225"><p>Not necessarily. It's not clear from the OP where they were when they met him; he says they killed the devil, though. If he was wherever he was as part of a Summoning spell, then he didn't really die, and any stuff he picked up while Summoned wouldn't return with him. If he was there as part of a Calling spell or good old fashioned planar travel, then (a) he should have been destroyed when he died, but (b) if he did escape or been banished/dismissed, he could take stuff with him. Of course, it's possible he got the sword while travelling the planes or Called, then went back as part of a Summoning, which would let him "die" without really dying, and keep the sword. Then there's <em>astral projection</em>...</p><p></p><p>FWIW, the OP doesn't want to use a spell of the Summoning descriptor -- because if you did summon him, the sword would disappear with him when he died or the summons ended. You want to use a Calling spell -- but <em>planar binding</em> & the like are Calling spells, so you're good if you use those.</p><p></p><p>Does your sorcerer know <em>limited wish</em>? If so, she could use that to mimic <em>planar binding</em>, which would give the spell a DC of 17 + her Cha bonus.</p><p></p><p>Of course, <em>planar binding</em> only works on 12 HD or less, and your target may have more. <em>Greater planar binding</em> is 8th level, and effects up to 18 HD; if he's past that, you'd have to get a scroll or something of <em>gate</em>.</p><p></p><p>And you'd still possibly be screwed, any way you cut it -- he might not have the sword on him when you call, in which case you wouldn't get to chop him down and grab it. You could maybe bargain for it; you'd be bargaining with a devil, though, and that doesn't always work out real well.</p><p></p><p>I'm not sure there's a good (let alone Good) way to avoid doing it the hard way.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="coyote6, post: 5098570, member: 1225"] Not necessarily. It's not clear from the OP where they were when they met him; he says they killed the devil, though. If he was wherever he was as part of a Summoning spell, then he didn't really die, and any stuff he picked up while Summoned wouldn't return with him. If he was there as part of a Calling spell or good old fashioned planar travel, then (a) he should have been destroyed when he died, but (b) if he did escape or been banished/dismissed, he could take stuff with him. Of course, it's possible he got the sword while travelling the planes or Called, then went back as part of a Summoning, which would let him "die" without really dying, and keep the sword. Then there's [I]astral projection[/I]... FWIW, the OP doesn't want to use a spell of the Summoning descriptor -- because if you did summon him, the sword would disappear with him when he died or the summons ended. You want to use a Calling spell -- but [I]planar binding[/I] & the like are Calling spells, so you're good if you use those. Does your sorcerer know [I]limited wish[/I]? If so, she could use that to mimic [I]planar binding[/I], which would give the spell a DC of 17 + her Cha bonus. Of course, [I]planar binding[/I] only works on 12 HD or less, and your target may have more. [I]Greater planar binding[/I] is 8th level, and effects up to 18 HD; if he's past that, you'd have to get a scroll or something of [I]gate[/I]. And you'd still possibly be screwed, any way you cut it -- he might not have the sword on him when you call, in which case you wouldn't get to chop him down and grab it. You could maybe bargain for it; you'd be bargaining with a devil, though, and that doesn't always work out real well. I'm not sure there's a good (let alone Good) way to avoid doing it the hard way. [/QUOTE]
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