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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kaleon Moonshae" data-source="post: 1607382" data-attributes="member: 12147">Wow, you have completely changed my beginning thoughts of you, thank you. That was very studious and focused and I enjoyed it. I agree that some logic problems can lead to too much overcomplication and 'thought for nothing but thought' type situations. The example of the pumpkin is one that I would agree is a bit out there. As you have seen, however, at least three people have used my example to come up with very diverse and interesting scenarios, by filling in the blanks and giving else/then/if kinds of statements we have learned a lot about people's own personal view of the world. The angels on the head of the pin can actually be very real world thought provoking. It takes into account the very nature of angels and spirits.. do they take up mass? Are they pure thought? If they are able to effect the real world then they must have energy which means they must have mass, so there *is* a limit to the number you can have dance. This may sound silly, but it gets you thinking about the *nature* of angels which can help you look at the nature of other things because it trains your mind in a certain way.-Something aimed toward Basilisk. I think over the course of our extremely interesting debate we both may have lost our original points. All of that responding to responses will do it to yah every time. I apologize for wandering all over the place with my talk and muddling the water. So I thought I would get back to basics.Starting all over, I think what I was trying to get at originally when you made your comment that all societies have the same (or very similar) moral idea of good and evil (at least that is the way I understood you when you said that the moral concepts were similar and cultural differences were not actually so different) is thus:1) Western European traditions tend to be similar due to a common origin in the tigris/euphrates area. JCI, zoastrianism, hinduism and early buddhism all share a similar concept of the spiritual world (not completely the same, but I agree that at heart they are). They all have a certain concept of good and evil as opposing forces (some say equal but opposite, some say good is stronger).2)Eastern cultures (including native american here because of the land bridge and the different fundamental belief structure) tend to not recognize "good" and "evil." (note that I said tend, some do, but they are rare)I know, a lot of you are calling foul about now, but hold on. Books on Eastern culture do use the term good and evil, but that is translation. If you want to use the yin and yang as proof of good and evil, again, it doesn't work, at least not in the western way. The y/y is based on the idea of siblings, each equal to the other and containing the other. It is about balance between 'natural' and unnatural' laws, and only then if the y/y is not present. This is not the same thing as good and evil. If someone has examples against this, let me know and I will take them each in turn. All that I ask is that the examples be from classical eastern history (ie before the east met the west and there was a mingling of the minds and a lot of melding happened on both sides).3) Yes I know there are examples that go against both points (the egyptians did not see good and evil quite the same, nor the baalites, nor a lot of other prejudaic religions and there are examples of smaller religions in china which do have a hard line between a 'good' and 'evil' ideal.4) I may be full of dung. I am an aries and know that I tend to think I know more than I actually do sometimes. These are my theories and therefore may be completely wrong. Basilisk has already made some points that have changed my opinion and showed that I was wrong. (good job on getting an aries to admit they're wrong, that's tough)peace and two cents</blockquote>

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