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<blockquote data-quote="Dausuul" data-source="post: 4632373" data-attributes="member: 58197"><p>Law and Chaos have <em>never</em> had clear definitions. There are several different ways they can be (and often are) interpreted:</p><p></p><p><strong>Definition 1: Law represents abiding by the rules and strictures of society, while chaos represents defiance of those rules.</strong> A Lawful character prefers to work within the system, reforming it if necessary. A Chaotic character likes to work outside the system, or even challenge it directly.</p><p></p><p>Under this definition:</p><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Superman is Lawful; he upholds the law and is conscientious about his role as a citizen.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Batman (in his more recent incarnations) is Chaotic; he's a vigilante who often breaks the law in his pursuit of justice. Similarly, Jack Bauer of 24 is Chaotic, as he often goes far beyond what the law will tolerate.</li> </ul><p><strong>Definition 2: Law represents holding to a personal code of behavior, while Chaos represents a situational morality.</strong> A Lawful character has a well-defined moral code and holds to it even when it becomes inconvenient or endangers the greater good. A Chaotic character makes judgements based on the situation, trying to weigh one factor against another.</p><p></p><p>Under this definition:</p><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Both Superman and Batman are Lawful; they have well-defined personal codes and stick to them.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Jack Bauer is Chaotic; he does what he feels he has to do, but decides what's acceptable based on the situation in front of him.</li> </ul><p><strong>Definition 3: Law represents placing the needs of society over those of the individual, while Chaos represents the opposite.</strong> A Lawful character believes that the good of the many outweighs the good of the few, and preserving the social order is paramount. A Chaotic character believes that the rights of the individual must be preserved even at the expense of society.</p><p></p><p>Under this definition, rather ironically:</p><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Superman is Chaotic. When criminals stand on their rights, Superman yields, even though he knows he may be putting the community at risk by doing so.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Batman and Jack Bauer are Lawful; they disregard the rights of individuals, not hesitating to beat information out of criminals in order to protect the community.</li> </ul><p>(It may seem odd that the law-abiding character is Chaotic under this definition while the lawbreakers are Lawful; however, all three characters live in the United States, a society founded upon Chaotic principles. Hence, those who uphold those principles are Chaotic while those who violate them tend toward Lawful.)</p><p></p><p>D&D has never really nailed down which one of these definitions it wants to go with. As a result, the Law/Chaos axis has been the source of many and many a flame war, until 4E more or less scrapped the whole concept.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dausuul, post: 4632373, member: 58197"] Law and Chaos have [I]never[/I] had clear definitions. There are several different ways they can be (and often are) interpreted: [B]Definition 1: Law represents abiding by the rules and strictures of society, while chaos represents defiance of those rules.[/B] A Lawful character prefers to work within the system, reforming it if necessary. A Chaotic character likes to work outside the system, or even challenge it directly. Under this definition: [LIST] [*]Superman is Lawful; he upholds the law and is conscientious about his role as a citizen. [*]Batman (in his more recent incarnations) is Chaotic; he's a vigilante who often breaks the law in his pursuit of justice. Similarly, Jack Bauer of 24 is Chaotic, as he often goes far beyond what the law will tolerate. [/LIST] [B]Definition 2: Law represents holding to a personal code of behavior, while Chaos represents a situational morality.[/B] A Lawful character has a well-defined moral code and holds to it even when it becomes inconvenient or endangers the greater good. A Chaotic character makes judgements based on the situation, trying to weigh one factor against another. Under this definition: [LIST] [*]Both Superman and Batman are Lawful; they have well-defined personal codes and stick to them. [*]Jack Bauer is Chaotic; he does what he feels he has to do, but decides what's acceptable based on the situation in front of him. [/LIST] [B]Definition 3: Law represents placing the needs of society over those of the individual, while Chaos represents the opposite.[/B] A Lawful character believes that the good of the many outweighs the good of the few, and preserving the social order is paramount. A Chaotic character believes that the rights of the individual must be preserved even at the expense of society. Under this definition, rather ironically: [LIST] [*]Superman is Chaotic. When criminals stand on their rights, Superman yields, even though he knows he may be putting the community at risk by doing so. [*]Batman and Jack Bauer are Lawful; they disregard the rights of individuals, not hesitating to beat information out of criminals in order to protect the community. [/LIST] (It may seem odd that the law-abiding character is Chaotic under this definition while the lawbreakers are Lawful; however, all three characters live in the United States, a society founded upon Chaotic principles. Hence, those who uphold those principles are Chaotic while those who violate them tend toward Lawful.) D&D has never really nailed down which one of these definitions it wants to go with. As a result, the Law/Chaos axis has been the source of many and many a flame war, until 4E more or less scrapped the whole concept. [/QUOTE]
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