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Message: <blockquote data-quote="avigor" data-source="post: 3626982" data-attributes="member: 48877">Yeah, I must say I agree with you here. Sometimes I find myself thinking the following, and then read the BoED or whatever and get confused; seems to me like they still want to mix law vs. chaos into good vs. evil. Please excuse the branching into an alignment debate:Good vs. Evil is about goals and ends and intent.Law vs. Chaos is about methods and means and how you go about your fullfilling your intent.And then there's the debate about whether a lawful individual must follow the laws of society, or whether law vs. chaos is simply whether or not the person has concrete laws that he follows, regardless of what they actually are. I'd say the latter, but then I also read the PHB descriptions of law vs. chaos and find that I also dislike some of what that seems to imply to me. It seems like working with others would not really be a part of it.To me, law vs. chaos could be more accurately described as means vs. ends, and how much you like society would depend on some sort of a tolerance attribute (maybe a combination of wisdom and charisma?). Means people like to follow rules set down by those who are "wiser" then them, often someone dead who they can't ask for clarification. Ends people just care about what they intend to do and not how they do it. Neutral people see most debates here to be less than of paramount importance, following some rules but seeing others as foolish to follow blindly and completely; lying to an evil lich is okay, but lying to your good friend probably wouldn't be.</blockquote>

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