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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Oryan77" data-source="post: 6204728" data-attributes="member: 18701">With all the advice being given here, and all of the same kind of advice I've seen given in past threads like this, has anyone ever had a positive outcome after using advice like this when it came to dealing with a problem player?I have tried everything in the book and not a single one of those players is still with our group today. I've yet to see things work out in our group and I'm just wondering if threads like this actually help anyone, or if we should just cut to the chase and tell concerned DMs & players to stop gaming together. I will put my foot in my mouth if this advice actually works. I just wish I could get it to work for me.We just had yet again another "newer" player leave the game recently. We got along, he was a nice guy, and I hold no grudge. But he broke my "no powergaming" rule despite how many times I drilled it into his head that I'm not ok with powergaming. He had a lot of other gamer issues and it was bothering other players. So I discussed it with the other guys and we concluded that he would no longer be invited back once we got a replacement player. Unfortunately, in his last game deliberately broke another rule (all Outsider Alter Self choices must be approved first) and surprised me with his overpowered choice during the heat of battle once things turned bad for the PCs. When I called him out on it and reminded him for the umpteenth time that I won't tolerate powergaming, he blew up at me and said he already decided that would be his last game. I did let him know that we already discussed kicking him out, so it works out for everyone. But I did remind him that he didn't really do anything wrong, we just have different gaming styles. Although, he did do something wrong by breaking my no powergaming rules over and over, but oh well. I was trying to calm the situation down and end it peacefully.I had been trying to use all the similar advice here over time with this player. I thought we could actually work it out. But that wasn't so. I did experience something new with him. This was the first time I'd seen a player brand new to D&D use the 3.5 Conjuration Wizard optimization forums to build an exact replica of those builds right down to spell choices, alternate class features, feats, PrC, and a wish list for magic items, and then insist that he wasn't referring to these threads to get his build. I couldn't call him a liar every time he leveled and made those choices. But even optimizers I know that have played D&D for years would have deviated slightly with a choice here and there. Even the guys choice of spells were ones that are known to be better than choosing Magic Missile or Fireball, and you have to actually play test that to figure that out (or read the optimization threads). He didn't come off as the lying type, so I gave him the benefit of the doubt up until the last time he leveled up.</blockquote>

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