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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mark" data-source="post: 71936" data-attributes="member: 5">It looks like you've gone through them and figured out what is possible without too much building beyond what you now have.That evil thing is kinda of a deal breaker especially with a Cleric of Heronious in the group.With you current thinking (somewhat cowardly, not really a thief), this is the one I would suggest.  You need to get the Hide and Move Silently Skills up to 8 ranks and Perform up to 5 ranks.  Pick up the Mobility Feat and you're all set.  Take a closer look at the Class Features for the Shadowdancer, but it sounds like a pretty good match for you.The reluctant duelist, who spouts off and gets himself into trouble only to regret his brashness later might be fun.  You'd need to pick up both Mobility and Ambidexterity, so you might not want to wait that long.  If you do, your BaB should be plenty by then but bring your Perform Skill up one rank in the meantime.I think the Shadowdancer has better possiblities than this Prestige Class.  You'd have to get too many Feats before you could switch and unless your DM is building this whole concept into the campaign already, it might be too much to ask the DM to do...especially if they already have other plans and games set up for your group.I suppose but if you want to stay away from the whole "Rogue as Thief" idea, this one isn't going to help.  Are you a member of the Thieves Guild as the class says is required? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />  You'd have to bring Balance, Climb, and Jump Skills all up to 8 ranks.Sounds like this is the one you want, so why not go for it?  Again, I caution the possibility that it might not fit in with your DM's setting concept, but it can't hurt to ask! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />I dont use FR stuff, so I can't comment on the other... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown    :("  data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" />We'll be getting another Gameday (like the EN Boards Chicago one we did in January) together in Mount Prospect for June sometime.  Check the events section of my message boards (use the link in my sig, then click on the globe) for details as they unfold.  Hope that all helps! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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