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<blockquote data-quote="Li Shenron" data-source="post: 1907663" data-attributes="member: 1465"><p>I think the question about viewpoints or the opinions of others in the world should not be a big part of the discussion, otherwise it is possible to change something from "good" to "evil" by changing the audience...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I am having more and more doubts about this... While talking with the others, I got the impression that many just had in mind the idea that EVIL = "wants to rule the world". What about someone who wants to rule the world because he thinks the world is currently ruled by cruel leaders? What if he tries to overthrow the leaders with no violence (if it was IRL, for example by just winning the elections), and once he gets to power, he uses it for the country's benefit, and not his own?</p><p></p><p>Of course it's usually unlikely that someone with power isn't using it to his own advantage... but maybe (maybe) power is not intrinsecally evil, but it is its use which usually is?</p><p></p><p>---</p><p></p><p>Back to the self-defense topic. The question is not whether the party should trust everyone or should not defend itself. The point is that they have get used to attack at the first doubt (i.e. unless they are quite sure they won't be attacked/robbed/betrayed, but far before this happens). Ok, they meet lots of drow, illithid, sahuagin, duergar, etc. and of course this is a game (so it's acceptable to treat some group as "inherently evil"), but still we are feeling like we're getting too far from being acceptably good. Even if they're evil creatures, they are not mindless, they aren't all the time trying to kill you, and they aren't irredeemable (tho that's not the point of this adventure). For comparison, there are also evil persons IRL, but you don't kill them even if you have the opportunity to 100% escape law punishment.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Li Shenron, post: 1907663, member: 1465"] I think the question about viewpoints or the opinions of others in the world should not be a big part of the discussion, otherwise it is possible to change something from "good" to "evil" by changing the audience... I am having more and more doubts about this... While talking with the others, I got the impression that many just had in mind the idea that EVIL = "wants to rule the world". What about someone who wants to rule the world because he thinks the world is currently ruled by cruel leaders? What if he tries to overthrow the leaders with no violence (if it was IRL, for example by just winning the elections), and once he gets to power, he uses it for the country's benefit, and not his own? Of course it's usually unlikely that someone with power isn't using it to his own advantage... but maybe (maybe) power is not intrinsecally evil, but it is its use which usually is? --- Back to the self-defense topic. The question is not whether the party should trust everyone or should not defend itself. The point is that they have get used to attack at the first doubt (i.e. unless they are quite sure they won't be attacked/robbed/betrayed, but far before this happens). Ok, they meet lots of drow, illithid, sahuagin, duergar, etc. and of course this is a game (so it's acceptable to treat some group as "inherently evil"), but still we are feeling like we're getting too far from being acceptably good. Even if they're evil creatures, they are not mindless, they aren't all the time trying to kill you, and they aren't irredeemable (tho that's not the point of this adventure). For comparison, there are also evil persons IRL, but you don't kill them even if you have the opportunity to 100% escape law punishment. [/QUOTE]
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