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<blockquote data-quote="Jfdlsjfd" data-source="post: 7868730" data-attributes="member: 42856"><p>Good job! Let's tackle this task, then. I am curious whether we'll collectively be able to piece something good-looking! Your assumption is that 1st level spells should be "pretty accessible" and 3rd to the elite. Let's work from that.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'd use the lifestyle cost per day with a discount ; since inn stay, as a temporary accomodation, should cost more than a long-term rent.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This could be an average with huge variations according to social class. In this source (in FR, sorry, that's what I stumbled upon googling) <a href="https://www.persee.fr/doc/ahess_0395-2649_1975_num_30_2_293624" target="_blank">Les consommations populaires dans la seconde moitié du XIXe siècle à travers les monographies de l'École de Le Play - Persée</a>, where they discuss the recordings of a 19th century mining engineer with an interest in sociology, who detailed popular budget in the 1880s, they find that the average part of the income spent of food to be 40-60%, with half of the surveyed families spending more than 50% on food. The surveyed families went from proletarian (with an annual budget of 500 francs) to upper class (with a budget of more than 10 000 francs).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That's probably a good rough estimate, since the same source gives 70% and 15% as extrema for the analyzed budgets, and they don't have "aristocratic" budget in the lot, peaking at wealthy.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, but I guess most people wouldn't be buying their meal at inns. Maybe the price list is for eating out, where there is a markup compared to the raw food? Just a random tought.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The poor-to-wealthy income ratio you get (26) is quite reasonable compared to the historical survey mentionned in the above source (25). So, it's extremely interesting that the table you calculated is capable of producing a realistic result of the wealth distribution. I'd posit that upper wealthy and aristocratic are even higher given historical Gini's ratios, but that's very interesting nonetheless.</p><p></p><p>I'd say the 6 person out of 10 as commoner and laborer mentioned by Keith Baker in the 3rd ed Eberron book would make them Poor, not Squalid. Even if you have a very bleak view of the 19th century working class, they would not on average sleep under bridges and sneaking into barn for shelter...</p><p>That' would mean our family of 5 would need to make 252 gp a year. On the 5 members, 4 would certainly be working. (In 1833 in the UK, the Textile Factory Act prohibited children under 11 to work more than 9 hours a day and 12 hours under 18). With 5 working members, achieving a poor lifestyle means 50gp 4 sp a year, based on 300 working days (even if there is no Sunday rest to observe, I guess as many holidays exists in Khorvaire) means 1.68 sp a day (which is coherent with the 2 sp/day if you integrate a discount for child labor, who are certainly not earning as much as their parents). Of course, when a family gets more inactive members (either because of old age or because of many younger children not old enough to be allowed to work in a factory or mine), they can certainly drop toward squalid living conditions.</p><p></p><p>If you increase the food-to-income ratio a bit and consider that eating at home should cost less than eating out, you can even get a coherent result of the 1 sp/day cost for unskilled labor mentionned in the Eberron sourcebook for Sharn hired help.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jfdlsjfd, post: 7868730, member: 42856"] Good job! Let's tackle this task, then. I am curious whether we'll collectively be able to piece something good-looking! Your assumption is that 1st level spells should be "pretty accessible" and 3rd to the elite. Let's work from that. I'd use the lifestyle cost per day with a discount ; since inn stay, as a temporary accomodation, should cost more than a long-term rent. This could be an average with huge variations according to social class. In this source (in FR, sorry, that's what I stumbled upon googling) [URL='https://www.persee.fr/doc/ahess_0395-2649_1975_num_30_2_293624']Les consommations populaires dans la seconde moitié du XIXe siècle à travers les monographies de l'École de Le Play - Persée[/URL], where they discuss the recordings of a 19th century mining engineer with an interest in sociology, who detailed popular budget in the 1880s, they find that the average part of the income spent of food to be 40-60%, with half of the surveyed families spending more than 50% on food. The surveyed families went from proletarian (with an annual budget of 500 francs) to upper class (with a budget of more than 10 000 francs). That's probably a good rough estimate, since the same source gives 70% and 15% as extrema for the analyzed budgets, and they don't have "aristocratic" budget in the lot, peaking at wealthy. Yes, but I guess most people wouldn't be buying their meal at inns. Maybe the price list is for eating out, where there is a markup compared to the raw food? Just a random tought. The poor-to-wealthy income ratio you get (26) is quite reasonable compared to the historical survey mentionned in the above source (25). So, it's extremely interesting that the table you calculated is capable of producing a realistic result of the wealth distribution. I'd posit that upper wealthy and aristocratic are even higher given historical Gini's ratios, but that's very interesting nonetheless. I'd say the 6 person out of 10 as commoner and laborer mentioned by Keith Baker in the 3rd ed Eberron book would make them Poor, not Squalid. Even if you have a very bleak view of the 19th century working class, they would not on average sleep under bridges and sneaking into barn for shelter... That' would mean our family of 5 would need to make 252 gp a year. On the 5 members, 4 would certainly be working. (In 1833 in the UK, the Textile Factory Act prohibited children under 11 to work more than 9 hours a day and 12 hours under 18). With 5 working members, achieving a poor lifestyle means 50gp 4 sp a year, based on 300 working days (even if there is no Sunday rest to observe, I guess as many holidays exists in Khorvaire) means 1.68 sp a day (which is coherent with the 2 sp/day if you integrate a discount for child labor, who are certainly not earning as much as their parents). Of course, when a family gets more inactive members (either because of old age or because of many younger children not old enough to be allowed to work in a factory or mine), they can certainly drop toward squalid living conditions. If you increase the food-to-income ratio a bit and consider that eating at home should cost less than eating out, you can even get a coherent result of the 1 sp/day cost for unskilled labor mentionned in the Eberron sourcebook for Sharn hired help. [/QUOTE]
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