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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Scurvy_Platypus" data-source="post: 4845907" data-attributes="member: 43283">Dudes, do we _REALLY_ need to have this stupid argument yet again? The one thing I hate about the OGL is how it's spawned 8 years of people going "Uh huh!" "Nuh uh!!"If you feel like getting your internet lawyer cap on and preaching your vision of what the OGL rules "really are", can't you do it in some other thread, or better yet, the forum section actually set up for it?To have a post that actually on topic:I think Goodman Games is hedging their bets. With the d20STL being revoked, it looked like a lot of companies were simply going to go the route of yanking product and it'd never be seen again. Adamant Games for example seems to have gone this route.With Pathfinder having vocal traction amongst a portion of the online crowd, as well as the apparent chunk of people that have opted not to go for 4E (staying instead with an older edition or whatnot) there's now enough to justify taking the time and money to actually rebrand their work.If 4E fails, Goodman will already have their product out and under the OGL logo. Enough time has passed that Goodman Games has made it's name and doesn't _need_ the d20 logo like they used to; remember, part of the point of doing the d20 logo was to be able to tie into official brand-name recognition (D&D) and by being "officially licenced" it at least suggested/implied a certain level of quality.If 4E succeeds, well... not much changes for them. They've still got product out that they can sell to the grognards (welcome to grognard-hood, everyone refusing to move to 4e), and if there's enough of a grognard market, Goodman can always consider selling product specially targeting that section of the market as well. By rebranding/publishing their old stuff, it shows that Goodman is at least willing to consider all the folks that haven't/won't/can't upgrade to the new edition.I don't know that it bodes "well" for the market. I think a lot of folks are in a holding pattern and trying to figure out what everyone else is going to do. With cash being tight for everybody, there's a greater reluctance on the part of both supplier and consumer to commit oneself too heavily, too quickly.I for example am thinking about possibly picking up a 3.0 DMG and MM. I can get them for about $30 each; a single D&D 4E book new is running me something like $80 out here. I don't know anyone that's running/playing a 4E game local, whereas I know of a number of 3.x groups active.Since I play to be social, instead of because I love the D&D [whatever edition] rules, it means I still haven't bought 4E. I've got nothing against it, it's just too expensive for me to pick up and not actually use.In other words, I'm a part of the grognard market by default; there's no compelling reason for me to change and quite a few reasons to stay where I am. Plus, I'm fine with houseruling stuff, so many of the theoretical improvements to the game I can simply make at the table on my own.I'm sure it's a shock to folks, but there _are_ people, such as myself, that don't own a single Goodman Games DCC; in fact, I don't think I actually own anything from Goodman. I'm aware of 'em, but never felt particularly needful of anything they've made. Having said that, I probably _will_ pick up an adventure or two just to see what they're like. I've been playing in a Pathfinder Adventure Path (Rise of the Runelords) and so far been pretty underwhelmed by it, so I figure I should give Goodman Games a shot at some point too.</blockquote>

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