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<blockquote data-quote="Traveon Wyvernspur" data-source="post: 5806334" data-attributes="member: 73201"><p>I should probably preface this with needing an answer rather soon because we play our game tomorrow afternoon so I'm open to anyone trying to give me feedback on this particular question and not just the OP because of the timing issue.</p><p></p><p>Here's one for you. I have a barbarian (wild rager)/fighter that I just created and one of his barbarian abilities is called Uncontrolled Rage of which I'll explain what it does below. We are also allowed to take up to 2 traits and the one in question is Birthmark, which I think can help for the saving throws against the confusion aspect of the Uncontrolled Rage power. I'll try to explain as simple to what I believe and see if you follow my reasoning. If I'm wrong, please let me know.</p><p></p><p><strong><u>Uncontrolled Rage (Ex)</u></strong></p><p> A wild rager’s rage functions as normal, except that when she reduces a creature to 0 or fewer hit points, she must attempt a Will save (DC 10 + the barbarian’s level + the barbarian’s Charisma modifier) or become confused. For the remainder of her current turn, she attacks the nearest creature other than herself. On the following round, refer to the <strong><u>confusion</u></strong> spell to determine her actions. At the end of this round, and each round thereafter, she <em>can attempt a new saving throw to end the confusion effect</em>. The rounds during which she is confused do not count against the rounds she has spent raging that day, but she cannot end her rage voluntarily, nor can she use rage powers while confused.</p><p></p><p><strong><u>Confusion </u></strong></p><p>School enchantment (<u>compulsion</u>) [mind-affecting]; </p><p>Level bard 3, sorcerer/wizard 4 </p><p>Casting Time 1 standard action </p><p>Components V, S, M/DF (three nutshells) </p><p>Range medium (100 ft. + 10 ft./level) </p><p>Targets all creatures in a 15-ft.-radius burst </p><p>Duration 1 round/level </p><p>Saving Throw Will negates; Spell Resistance yes</p><p></p><p><strong><u>Birthmark:</u></strong> </p><p>You were born with a strange birthmark that looks very similar to the holy symbol of the god you chose to worship later in life. This birthmark can serve you as a divine focus for casting spells, and as a physical manifestation of your faith, it increases your devotion to your god—you gain a +2 trait bonus on all saving throws against charm and <u>compulsion</u> effects as a result.</p><p></p><p>Now my thoughts are as follows and please correct me if I'm interpreting it wrong!</p><p></p><p> If we are using the confusion SPELL as referenced by the Uncontrolled Rage, it says "COMPULSION" and "mind affecting", so then look to birthmark and it says "+2 on ALL saving throws against charm and COMPULSION effects." Because of the rolling of a saving throw for the Uncontrolled Rage confusion and the inclusion of the word "ALL" saving throws from Birthmark, technically it would work to help against this type of confusion is how I understand it.</p><p></p><p>What do you think? Will the Birthmark trait grant me the +2 to WILL saves when it comes to rolling against spell-referenced confusion of the Uncontrolled Rage ability?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Traveon Wyvernspur, post: 5806334, member: 73201"] I should probably preface this with needing an answer rather soon because we play our game tomorrow afternoon so I'm open to anyone trying to give me feedback on this particular question and not just the OP because of the timing issue. Here's one for you. I have a barbarian (wild rager)/fighter that I just created and one of his barbarian abilities is called Uncontrolled Rage of which I'll explain what it does below. We are also allowed to take up to 2 traits and the one in question is Birthmark, which I think can help for the saving throws against the confusion aspect of the Uncontrolled Rage power. I'll try to explain as simple to what I believe and see if you follow my reasoning. If I'm wrong, please let me know. [B][U]Uncontrolled Rage (Ex)[/U][/B] A wild rager’s rage functions as normal, except that when she reduces a creature to 0 or fewer hit points, she must attempt a Will save (DC 10 + the barbarian’s level + the barbarian’s Charisma modifier) or become confused. For the remainder of her current turn, she attacks the nearest creature other than herself. On the following round, refer to the [B][U]confusion[/U][/B] spell to determine her actions. At the end of this round, and each round thereafter, she [I]can attempt a new saving throw to end the confusion effect[/I]. The rounds during which she is confused do not count against the rounds she has spent raging that day, but she cannot end her rage voluntarily, nor can she use rage powers while confused. [B][U]Confusion [/U][/B] School enchantment ([U]compulsion[/U]) [mind-affecting]; Level bard 3, sorcerer/wizard 4 Casting Time 1 standard action Components V, S, M/DF (three nutshells) Range medium (100 ft. + 10 ft./level) Targets all creatures in a 15-ft.-radius burst Duration 1 round/level Saving Throw Will negates; Spell Resistance yes [B][U]Birthmark:[/U][/B] You were born with a strange birthmark that looks very similar to the holy symbol of the god you chose to worship later in life. This birthmark can serve you as a divine focus for casting spells, and as a physical manifestation of your faith, it increases your devotion to your god—you gain a +2 trait bonus on all saving throws against charm and [U]compulsion[/U] effects as a result. Now my thoughts are as follows and please correct me if I'm interpreting it wrong! If we are using the confusion SPELL as referenced by the Uncontrolled Rage, it says "COMPULSION" and "mind affecting", so then look to birthmark and it says "+2 on ALL saving throws against charm and COMPULSION effects." Because of the rolling of a saving throw for the Uncontrolled Rage confusion and the inclusion of the word "ALL" saving throws from Birthmark, technically it would work to help against this type of confusion is how I understand it. What do you think? Will the Birthmark trait grant me the +2 to WILL saves when it comes to rolling against spell-referenced confusion of the Uncontrolled Rage ability? [/QUOTE]
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