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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Thulcondar" data-source="post: 4188897" data-attributes="member: 43770">I disagree. And I am not just "criticizing a new edition"; if you'll look upthread, I actually liked it from a player's POV. I looked through my posts here, and I confess I can't find a place where I "proclaimed that AD&D was superior". I said "different". I may well have missed something, though; it's late. Can you be more specific?Just emphasizing the "combat" aspects in what you just said...Actually, not so much.Granted, it depends on what the player was trying to do, but in AD&D there wasn't the plethora of skills that one sees in 2E or 3.x or 4E. (There was a slight move in that direction with the non-weapon proficiencies of OA, WSG, and DSG, but it wasn't a core concept of the system by any stretch.) The test isn't "I use X ability". The test is "I try to do Y". Verrrrry different things, as I hope you'll acknowledge. In AD&D, if the player can make a credible case for how his character could legitimately do Y, then the DM would probably roll a die, and if it wasn't on the hideously low end, it would succeed to one extent or another. I disagree. It's not "bunk" in the slightest. If a rules system exists for a given set of circumstances, the DM is, if not compelled, at least encouraged or expected to use it. AD&D had the advantage of giving the DM an enormous amount of leeway because of its vagueness in certain areas. In the absence of a specific rule to cover a situation, the DM has the latitude to make a ruling, based on the role-playing that has gone into the situation.Honestly, I don't see why that's such a big deal. It's supposed to be the DM's job; they were called judges and referees originally for a reason!Actually I did. Today, as a matter of fact. If you happen to think I did not, then you need to take it up with WotC, because they advertised it as such. Sure, I couldn't grapple, but that's another story... ;-)And again, everybody, please remember! I don't hate 4E! 3E I hate, but not 4E! I just think it emphasizes combat over RP. I maintain an open mind until I see the books.Joe</blockquote>

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