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<blockquote data-quote="Sashi" data-source="post: 4194477" data-attributes="member: 61842"><p>Sorry, the first paragraph of what I wrote was directed at you, and then after that it was more me running my mouth at a theoretical "you" than at you specifically. As I went along the post just kept getting longer and addressed more generically at the 4E haters than specifically at you, I apologize for writing the post as though it were your opinion I was attacking.</p><p></p><p>Back to the minis thing: I think that WotC making a collectible miniatures wargame centered on their minis was a cold-hearted ploy to sell more minis, any sins you believe them to be committing with Magic: The Gathering they are probably also committing with D&DM. But I don't think that there's any evil mustachioed marketing guy sitting somewhere in the WotC offices going "We'll make D&D completely incompatable to playing without miniatures! Then they'll buy the minis! They'll <strong>have to buy the minis!</strong> Mua ha ha ha!!!" I just don't think that's going on. There are other sources of Minis, there are people who have all the minis they'd ever need, there are players who will play without minis out of sheer stubbornness. It does WotC no good to alienate these players by raising the price of the system by a few hundred dollars worth of minis.</p><p></p><p>Now, the dev team has essentially infinite access to miniatures, and they've readily admitted that they all play with and like minis. So the game is turning towards minis. But to say that there's a <em>conscious effort</em> to make the game incompatible (as opposed to merely a lack of concern when a rule makes playing without minis less convenient) to playing without minis is just cynicism.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sashi, post: 4194477, member: 61842"] Sorry, the first paragraph of what I wrote was directed at you, and then after that it was more me running my mouth at a theoretical "you" than at you specifically. As I went along the post just kept getting longer and addressed more generically at the 4E haters than specifically at you, I apologize for writing the post as though it were your opinion I was attacking. Back to the minis thing: I think that WotC making a collectible miniatures wargame centered on their minis was a cold-hearted ploy to sell more minis, any sins you believe them to be committing with Magic: The Gathering they are probably also committing with D&DM. But I don't think that there's any evil mustachioed marketing guy sitting somewhere in the WotC offices going "We'll make D&D completely incompatable to playing without miniatures! Then they'll buy the minis! They'll [b]have to buy the minis![/b] Mua ha ha ha!!!" I just don't think that's going on. There are other sources of Minis, there are people who have all the minis they'd ever need, there are players who will play without minis out of sheer stubbornness. It does WotC no good to alienate these players by raising the price of the system by a few hundred dollars worth of minis. Now, the dev team has essentially infinite access to miniatures, and they've readily admitted that they all play with and like minis. So the game is turning towards minis. But to say that there's a [i]conscious effort[/i] to make the game incompatible (as opposed to merely a lack of concern when a rule makes playing without minis less convenient) to playing without minis is just cynicism. [/QUOTE]
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