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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9309804" data-attributes="member: 18">I know, but when we played it, not only is it what the rulebook seems to strongly suggest, at that time (not that long after release - a couple of months at most) - all the online guidance the DM (not me, I was a player) could find very strongly suggested exactly that, to the point of basically saying &quot;you're a bad BitD DM if you don't start them in media res in the middle of a heist! Don't even let them start planning!&quot;.Later advice was much more inline with what you're saying (though actually more pro-planning) and honestly - the abilities the characters have and so on actually do support the &quot;pre-plan and prepare a bit&quot; approach. So you could say the rules imply it (though that is open to interpretation). We just took them too much at their word, I think as a result of having played PtbA games where if you didn't take them at their word for the most part, the game didn't work (that said, as a DM I'd already rejected the use of Fronts in Dungeon World because they were just... not a good tool for the stated job - I later found out this was extremely common - but also I wasn't DMing BitD).Yeah mine was that it's alright. I can't say it's a bad system, because it meets its own stated goals, something many systems fail to do! (Including some PtbA games). I do feel like it's been promoted as things it isn't (see the heist vs crime difference pointed out by [USER=7028554]@Grendel_Khan[/USER]), but that's not entirely on the people who created it, but rather people who've promoted the system. Also it's not even a top offender there.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 9309804, member: 18"] I know, but when we played it, not only is it what the rulebook seems to strongly suggest, at that time (not that long after release - a couple of months at most) - all the online guidance the DM (not me, I was a player) could find very strongly suggested exactly that, to the point of basically saying "you're a bad BitD DM if you don't start them in media res in the middle of a heist! Don't even let them start planning!". Later advice was much more inline with what you're saying (though actually more pro-planning) and honestly - the abilities the characters have and so on actually do support the "pre-plan and prepare a bit" approach. So you could say the rules imply it (though that is open to interpretation). We just took them too much at their word, I think as a result of having played PtbA games where if you didn't take them at their word for the most part, the game didn't work (that said, as a DM I'd already rejected the use of Fronts in Dungeon World because they were just... not a good tool for the stated job - I later found out this was extremely common - but also I wasn't DMing BitD). Yeah mine was that it's alright. I can't say it's a bad system, because it meets its own stated goals, something many systems fail to do! (Including some PtbA games). I do feel like it's been promoted as things it isn't (see the heist vs crime difference pointed out by [USER=7028554]@Grendel_Khan[/USER]), but that's not entirely on the people who created it, but rather people who've promoted the system. Also it's not even a top offender there. [/QUOTE]

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