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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Justice and Rule" data-source="post: 9211569" data-attributes="member: 6778210">It is not. In the DMG, it never talks about preventing a player from attempting a check because they lack a skill or proficiency. It mostly goes over the expected results of the difficulty levels, going from the easiest (DC 5) to the Moderate (between DC10 and DC20) and the very difficult (DC 25-30).It does talk about automatic success, which is which is basically the opposite. Not that it's a bad idea; there's certainly a school of thought around letting certain proficiencies allow you to just do things. This is a feature in the most recent edition of Delta Green, where checks often have a certain skill threshold where you can forgo a roll. But I also think that this really hammers down that 5E's chosen method isn't about stopping people from rolling, but stopping everyone from rolling by making the right people not have to. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f914.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":unsure:" title="Unsure    :unsure:"  data-smilie="24"data-shortname=":unsure:" />But unless you have a new citation, I'm also done on the topic. Pathfinder's skill section was what drew me to the game: after trying to fix the skill system for years, someone had just built a system that already worked the way I wanted it to. Was pretty damn nice to find. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />To go into other stuff, I think my favorite thing is that PF2's math is good enough that you can basically hand out abilities and feats pretty liberally beyond what is normally granted and it won't make ultra-unbalanced characters. Feats generally don't add to your math, but rather make you more flexible. So if a character got every class feat their level granted them, they wouldn't break the math as much as they'd be ultra-flexible in what they can do: you'd have monks with a dozen stances, rather than a monk that had One Trick DMs Hate breaking the game.</blockquote>

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