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<blockquote data-quote="Cadence" data-source="post: 9166117" data-attributes="member: 6701124"><p>There were a few more house rules than I remembered for our V:tM 2e game, so I guess I will go "It's Pretty Good". I think one of the other GM's (for a mixed Mage/VtM/Werewolf game) played it straight up by the books, but I don't recall.</p><p></p><p>Anyway, here are the house rules by the GM George Bednarczyk as complied around January 1997. The damage formula looks ugly written out (mostly the min and max) but I remember it being pretty intuitive at the time in actual play.</p><p></p><p>[HR][/HR]</p><p><strong>General Mechanics:</strong></p><p></p><p>* A roll of a one always cancels a die that would otherwise be a success, beginning with the 10's first, and then the other successes. On inherently non-lethal rolls, of difficulty 7 or greater, a one may also be cancelled by a roll of one less than the difficulty (note, this will prevent a botch but not grant a success). A roll of a ten that is not cancelled, grants the roller an additional die to roll. All rolls are botchable (having ones left after all successes are used up.)</p><p></p><p>* Advancement is Stochastic. Generally each game session the characters will earn two experience. Every sixth point may be allocated as they see fit (except that application to virtues, non-bloodline disciplines, new Thaumaturgical rituals, humanity, and willpower must be approved by the storyteller.) Additionally between two and four are awarded at the end of every chapter, the number depending on it's length and rigorousness.</p><p></p><p>The other 5/6ths of the time it is allocated as follows.</p><p> </p><p>Roll d10</p><p>1-3 Applies to an attribute</p><p>4-8 Applies to an ability</p><p>9-0 Applies to a discipline</p><p> </p><p>For attributes or abilities roll d10,</p><p>1-3 Applies to Physical/Talent</p><p>4-6 Applies to Social/Skills</p><p>7-9 Applies to Mental/Knowledge</p><p>0 Reroll from beginning</p><p> </p><p>For Talent/Skills/Knowledge roll d10, if that</p><p> Talent/Skill/Knowledge has been called upon or played</p><p> some non-roll requiring part of one of the last few sessions,</p><p> apply it there, otherwise reroll from the beginning.</p><p> </p><p>For Physical/Social/Mental roll d10</p><p> 1-3 applies to the first attribute in that column</p><p> 4-6 applies to the second attribute in that column</p><p> 7-9 applies to the third attribute in that column</p><p> 0 Reroll from the beginning.</p><p> </p><p>For Disciplines roll d10</p><p> 1-6 adds to a clan discipline, roll randomly (rerolling for a 0)</p><p> 7-0 adds to another already possessed discipline, roll randomly</p><p></p><p>Costs to advance are:</p><p>5c for Attributes</p><p>3c for Abilities (5 for the 1st dot)</p><p>3c for Clan Disciplines (7 for the 1st dot)</p><p>4c for Other Disciplines (7 for the 1st dot)</p><p>1c for Virtues, Humanity and Willpower</p><p>3c for the first 2 thaumaturgical paths</p><p>4c for the second 2 thaumaturgical paths</p><p>5c for additional thaumaturgical paths</p><p></p><p>Additionally a bonus experience point can be earned for an astounding success. On any die pool of fewer than ten dice, with at least difficulty six, seven or more successes result in an experience point being allocated at random to one of the applicable stats.</p><p></p><p>[HR][/HR]</p><p><strong>Combat:</strong></p><p></p><p>* Initiative is determined by rolling a d10 and adding a bonus based on the wits+alertness:</p><p></p><p>Wits+Alertness 1-2 3-5 6-8 9-11 12-14 15-17 18-20</p><p>Bonus -1 0 +1 +2 +3 +4 +5</p><p></p><p>* Characters receive an additional "no penalty" damage level called "incidental", and Mauled becomes -4, and Crippled becomes -6.</p><p></p><p>* Damage is determined in the following way.</p><p></p><p>min(0,aggravated damage - fortitude + max(0,normal damage - stamina) + number of successes) <em><- I think my notes had a closed paren in the wrong place and this is right</em></p><p></p><p>is soaked on fortitude + stamina at the difficulty determined by the attack type. Buckshot is difficulty 8 to soak, and high powered rifles with depleted uranium rounds or hollow points are difficulty 9.</p><p></p><p>Example: Ace (Fortitude 1, Stamina 5) is punched by Snake (Potence 2, Strength 3) who gets 4 successes to hit. Ace must therefore soak 5 on 6 dice at difficulty 6.</p><p></p><p>"Normal aggravated damage" is soakable as normal. Fire and Sunlight are only soakable using the fortitude die pool for vampires. Armor provides extra soak dice which are rolled before the vampire's.</p><p></p><p>* Aggravated damage may be healed by spending one point of will power and 3 blood points. Additionally, every two weeks, the character may roll Stamina+Fortitude at difficulty 8. Each success above two heals one aggravated damage level (i.e. 5 heals 3 of them.)</p><p></p><p>* A vampire in Frenzy has 8 extra wound levels (they are zero penalty levels.) If the vampire is unable to heal up to the appropriate level after "coming down" from frenzy they enter torpor. If a vampire is brought to incapacitated and no blood, they are unable to then enter frenzy. Similarly if an attack brings them below incapacitated when they were not in or about to frenzy, then they are just plain dead.</p><p></p><p>* Dodging: A character dodging must keep track of the successes remaining after cancelling out all the ones rolled. The number of successes in dodging the first attack against the character are those rolls of 6 or more, 7 or more against he second attack, etc... A celerity action used for a dodge roll are cumulative with those from earlier stages in the round.</p><p></p><p>[HR][/HR]</p><p><strong>Disciplines:</strong></p><p></p><p>* Celerity adds one to the effective dexterity pool for each point of celerity. Additional actions cost an additional x for the xth extra turn. So taking 3 additional actions requires an expenditure of 1+2+3=6 blood points.</p><p></p><p>* Potence adds one die (not an extra success) to all strength rolls for each point of potence, and fortitude does likewise for stamina.</p><p></p><p>* Chimestry, Necromancy, etc... are all paths of Thaumaturgy. Thaumaturgy is not a discipline per se, and may be taught instead of requiring blood of the appropriate discipline owning vampire.</p><p></p><p>* Each (non-Caitiff) vampire has six disciplines which they may advance in without "special help". The first three are those commonly associated with their clan. The second three are there bloodline disciplines which are tracible back to some low generational "ancestor". Any other discipline that is gained by "special help" (that is, Diablerie or drinking other vampires blood) count as bloodline for purposes of advancement, but not for passing on to progeny.</p><p></p><p>[HR][/HR]</p><p><strong>Other things about being a vampire:</strong></p><p></p><p>* The weakness "thin blooded" is a five point weakness and causes all blood usage costs (except healing of wounds) to be doubled.</p><p></p><p>* Strength, Dexterity, and Stamina, may be raised to a maximum of six for the duration of the scene through expenditure of one blood point per point desired, for vampires of generations 8-10. All others may "burn up to" there generational maximum. Potence, Celerity, and Fortitude do not change this burn maximum.</p><p></p><p>* If consciously trying to gain power from the blood of an older (generation-wise) vampire, roll willpower at difficulty 9. For each success, you get a temporary point from the blood, randomly determined by listing all the discipline levels. For instance, if you drank the blood of someone with Fortitude 4, Potence 3, and Celerity 3, you would have a 4/10 chance of getting Fortitude, 3/10 chance of getting Potence, and a 3/10 chance of getting Celerity. Derangements and transferrable clan weaknesses such as the Brujah or Ventrue weaknesses count as 3 levels of discipline Thaumaturgy cannot be gained in this way. Then roll the number of successes on the previous willpower roll at difficulty 9 again. Each success means that there is a permanent point gained, randomly determined from the list of points gained temporarily. If the target vampire is not killed through this process, the drinker is on the way to blood bondage. This may only be attempted once per target vampire (except perhaps over tremendously long periods of time.) To commit the act of Diablerie, complete the above process, and then the drinker must get three successes at difficulty 9 on Strength plus Potence. This is an extended action and successes may be accumulated until a botch occurs, at which time the targets soul escapes.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cadence, post: 9166117, member: 6701124"] There were a few more house rules than I remembered for our V:tM 2e game, so I guess I will go "It's Pretty Good". I think one of the other GM's (for a mixed Mage/VtM/Werewolf game) played it straight up by the books, but I don't recall. Anyway, here are the house rules by the GM George Bednarczyk as complied around January 1997. The damage formula looks ugly written out (mostly the min and max) but I remember it being pretty intuitive at the time in actual play. [HR][/HR] [B]General Mechanics:[/B] * A roll of a one always cancels a die that would otherwise be a success, beginning with the 10's first, and then the other successes. On inherently non-lethal rolls, of difficulty 7 or greater, a one may also be cancelled by a roll of one less than the difficulty (note, this will prevent a botch but not grant a success). A roll of a ten that is not cancelled, grants the roller an additional die to roll. All rolls are botchable (having ones left after all successes are used up.) * Advancement is Stochastic. Generally each game session the characters will earn two experience. Every sixth point may be allocated as they see fit (except that application to virtues, non-bloodline disciplines, new Thaumaturgical rituals, humanity, and willpower must be approved by the storyteller.) Additionally between two and four are awarded at the end of every chapter, the number depending on it's length and rigorousness. The other 5/6ths of the time it is allocated as follows. Roll d10 1-3 Applies to an attribute 4-8 Applies to an ability 9-0 Applies to a discipline For attributes or abilities roll d10, 1-3 Applies to Physical/Talent 4-6 Applies to Social/Skills 7-9 Applies to Mental/Knowledge 0 Reroll from beginning For Talent/Skills/Knowledge roll d10, if that Talent/Skill/Knowledge has been called upon or played some non-roll requiring part of one of the last few sessions, apply it there, otherwise reroll from the beginning. For Physical/Social/Mental roll d10 1-3 applies to the first attribute in that column 4-6 applies to the second attribute in that column 7-9 applies to the third attribute in that column 0 Reroll from the beginning. For Disciplines roll d10 1-6 adds to a clan discipline, roll randomly (rerolling for a 0) 7-0 adds to another already possessed discipline, roll randomly Costs to advance are: 5c for Attributes 3c for Abilities (5 for the 1st dot) 3c for Clan Disciplines (7 for the 1st dot) 4c for Other Disciplines (7 for the 1st dot) 1c for Virtues, Humanity and Willpower 3c for the first 2 thaumaturgical paths 4c for the second 2 thaumaturgical paths 5c for additional thaumaturgical paths Additionally a bonus experience point can be earned for an astounding success. On any die pool of fewer than ten dice, with at least difficulty six, seven or more successes result in an experience point being allocated at random to one of the applicable stats. [HR][/HR] [B]Combat:[/B] * Initiative is determined by rolling a d10 and adding a bonus based on the wits+alertness: Wits+Alertness 1-2 3-5 6-8 9-11 12-14 15-17 18-20 Bonus -1 0 +1 +2 +3 +4 +5 * Characters receive an additional "no penalty" damage level called "incidental", and Mauled becomes -4, and Crippled becomes -6. * Damage is determined in the following way. min(0,aggravated damage - fortitude + max(0,normal damage - stamina) + number of successes) [I]<- I think my notes had a closed paren in the wrong place and this is right[/I] is soaked on fortitude + stamina at the difficulty determined by the attack type. Buckshot is difficulty 8 to soak, and high powered rifles with depleted uranium rounds or hollow points are difficulty 9. Example: Ace (Fortitude 1, Stamina 5) is punched by Snake (Potence 2, Strength 3) who gets 4 successes to hit. Ace must therefore soak 5 on 6 dice at difficulty 6. "Normal aggravated damage" is soakable as normal. Fire and Sunlight are only soakable using the fortitude die pool for vampires. Armor provides extra soak dice which are rolled before the vampire's. * Aggravated damage may be healed by spending one point of will power and 3 blood points. Additionally, every two weeks, the character may roll Stamina+Fortitude at difficulty 8. Each success above two heals one aggravated damage level (i.e. 5 heals 3 of them.) * A vampire in Frenzy has 8 extra wound levels (they are zero penalty levels.) If the vampire is unable to heal up to the appropriate level after "coming down" from frenzy they enter torpor. If a vampire is brought to incapacitated and no blood, they are unable to then enter frenzy. Similarly if an attack brings them below incapacitated when they were not in or about to frenzy, then they are just plain dead. * Dodging: A character dodging must keep track of the successes remaining after cancelling out all the ones rolled. The number of successes in dodging the first attack against the character are those rolls of 6 or more, 7 or more against he second attack, etc... A celerity action used for a dodge roll are cumulative with those from earlier stages in the round. [HR][/HR] [B]Disciplines:[/B] * Celerity adds one to the effective dexterity pool for each point of celerity. Additional actions cost an additional x for the xth extra turn. So taking 3 additional actions requires an expenditure of 1+2+3=6 blood points. * Potence adds one die (not an extra success) to all strength rolls for each point of potence, and fortitude does likewise for stamina. * Chimestry, Necromancy, etc... are all paths of Thaumaturgy. Thaumaturgy is not a discipline per se, and may be taught instead of requiring blood of the appropriate discipline owning vampire. * Each (non-Caitiff) vampire has six disciplines which they may advance in without "special help". The first three are those commonly associated with their clan. The second three are there bloodline disciplines which are tracible back to some low generational "ancestor". Any other discipline that is gained by "special help" (that is, Diablerie or drinking other vampires blood) count as bloodline for purposes of advancement, but not for passing on to progeny. [HR][/HR] [B]Other things about being a vampire:[/B] * The weakness "thin blooded" is a five point weakness and causes all blood usage costs (except healing of wounds) to be doubled. * Strength, Dexterity, and Stamina, may be raised to a maximum of six for the duration of the scene through expenditure of one blood point per point desired, for vampires of generations 8-10. All others may "burn up to" there generational maximum. Potence, Celerity, and Fortitude do not change this burn maximum. * If consciously trying to gain power from the blood of an older (generation-wise) vampire, roll willpower at difficulty 9. For each success, you get a temporary point from the blood, randomly determined by listing all the discipline levels. For instance, if you drank the blood of someone with Fortitude 4, Potence 3, and Celerity 3, you would have a 4/10 chance of getting Fortitude, 3/10 chance of getting Potence, and a 3/10 chance of getting Celerity. Derangements and transferrable clan weaknesses such as the Brujah or Ventrue weaknesses count as 3 levels of discipline Thaumaturgy cannot be gained in this way. Then roll the number of successes on the previous willpower roll at difficulty 9 again. Each success means that there is a permanent point gained, randomly determined from the list of points gained temporarily. If the target vampire is not killed through this process, the drinker is on the way to blood bondage. This may only be attempted once per target vampire (except perhaps over tremendously long periods of time.) To commit the act of Diablerie, complete the above process, and then the drinker must get three successes at difficulty 9 on Strength plus Potence. This is an extended action and successes may be accumulated until a botch occurs, at which time the targets soul escapes. [/QUOTE]
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