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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 4350577" data-attributes="member: 2011">Two picks is harder. One (more or less) has to be area effect and one has to be single target.That does not invalidate that CoD is typically better than either Magic Missile or Ray of Frost as the single target one.Having two Reflex save At Wills is not really that big of a deal considering that Wizards also get Per Encounter spells.There are very few creatures in the Monster Manual where Reflex is way (i.e. 3 or more) better than Fort. There are about 30 some creatures (&lt; 5%) with Reflex 3 or more higher than Fort. There are hundreds of creatures with Fort 3 or more higher than Reflex (and many of those are 5 or higher) and many hundreds more 1 or 2 higher.So, a Wizard player is screwing himself big time taking Ray of Frost as his single target At Will power (especially considering that he cannot buff it with Lasting Frost until level 11).Your justification for taking Cloud of Daggers (or Magic Missile for range) and Scorching Ray for your two picks is staring you in the face. Reflex is a lot better than Fort, regardless of the PHB suggesting that PCs try to get one of each type. That's what Per Encounter spells are for.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 4350577, member: 2011"] Two picks is harder. One (more or less) has to be area effect and one has to be single target. That does not invalidate that CoD is typically better than either Magic Missile or Ray of Frost as the single target one. Having two Reflex save At Wills is not really that big of a deal considering that Wizards also get Per Encounter spells. There are very few creatures in the Monster Manual where Reflex is way (i.e. 3 or more) better than Fort. There are about 30 some creatures (< 5%) with Reflex 3 or more higher than Fort. There are hundreds of creatures with Fort 3 or more higher than Reflex (and many of those are 5 or higher) and many hundreds more 1 or 2 higher. So, a Wizard player is screwing himself big time taking Ray of Frost as his single target At Will power (especially considering that he cannot buff it with Lasting Frost until level 11). Your justification for taking Cloud of Daggers (or Magic Missile for range) and Scorching Ray for your two picks is staring you in the face. Reflex is a lot better than Fort, regardless of the PHB suggesting that PCs try to get one of each type. That's what Per Encounter spells are for. [/QUOTE]

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