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<blockquote data-quote="LittleElvis" data-source="post: 4359683" data-attributes="member: 72458">Well I know it's hypothetical, but that's extremely unrealistic and, really unlike my example, certainly &quot;picking the ideal situation for you.&quot; You're using Power Attack against a high AC opponent (why?) while using a one-handed weapon with power attack (uncommon), and you don't have Weapon Focus while do you have power attack? That's not happening in reality, because it's plainly not optimized. However, give that power attack guy a Maul (more realistic) and he would beat the non-PA guy even against a high AC.We were definitely talking about +1 to damage versus +1 to hit, and as I pointed out, the +1 to damage is better against opponents realistic for your level, and almost never significantly bested by the +1 to hit (the AC has to be unrealistically high for +1 to hit to be significantly better).The higher the opposing AC, the less you want to trade to-hit bonuses for damage bonuses, obviously. But against your high AC 20 example at first level, the +1 to damage is still nearly identical to the +1 to hit in the situation most common for a Paladin (18 STR and a longsword).I also did not compare an apple and an orange, because I did compare +1 to damage vs +1 to hit. That's explicitly what we were talking about.A -1/+1 or -2/+2 does increase your average DPR against opponents appropriate for your level. The example I gave was a realistic one. Using a longsword with 18 STR at level 1 and comparing +1 to hit vs +1 to damage. Even against the AC 20, they're almost perfectly identical in DPR. With AC lower than 20, +1 damage wins. At AC 20, they're really equal. Higher than AC 20, +1 to hit gets better.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="LittleElvis, post: 4359683, member: 72458"] Well I know it's hypothetical, but that's extremely unrealistic and, really unlike my example, certainly "picking the ideal situation for you." You're using [I]Power Attack [/I]against a high AC opponent (why?) while using a one-handed weapon with power attack (uncommon), [I]and[/I] you don't have Weapon Focus while do you have power attack? That's not happening in reality, because it's plainly not optimized. However, give that power attack guy a Maul (more realistic) and he would beat the non-PA guy even against a high AC. We were definitely talking about +1 to damage versus +1 to hit, and as I pointed out, the +1 to damage is better against opponents realistic for your level, and almost never significantly bested by the +1 to hit (the AC has to be unrealistically high for +1 to hit to be significantly better). The higher the opposing AC, the less you want to trade to-hit bonuses for damage bonuses, obviously. But against your high AC 20 example at first level, the +1 to damage is still nearly identical to the +1 to hit in the situation most common for a Paladin (18 STR and a longsword). I also did not compare an apple and an orange, because I did compare +1 to damage vs +1 to hit. That's explicitly what we were talking about. A -1/+1 or -2/+2 does increase your average DPR against opponents appropriate for your level. The example I gave was a realistic one. Using a longsword with 18 STR at level 1 and comparing +1 to hit vs +1 to damage. Even against the AC 20, they're almost perfectly identical in DPR. With AC lower than 20, +1 damage wins. At AC 20, they're really equal. Higher than AC 20, +1 to hit gets better. [/QUOTE]

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