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<blockquote data-quote="BASHMAN" data-source="post: 4583454" data-attributes="member: 8277">I think I just came up with a decent fix for Careful Attack and Sure Strike to at least upgrade them to Cs or Bs, without being unbalanced.+2 to hit, -2 to damage.&nbsp; Essentially it is an inverse power attack.&nbsp; Lets look at it now.&nbsp; You have 18 dex using a longbow.&nbsp; Normally you have +6 hit 1d10+4 damage.&nbsp; Careful attack gives you +8 hit for 1d10 dmg.&nbsp; -4 damage for +2 to hit?&nbsp; The higher your dex, the worse it sucks.&nbsp; Lame.Now the fixed version.&nbsp; Careful attack gives you +8 hit for 1d10+2 dmg.&nbsp; Compare to twin striking giving +6 to hit twice, each doing 1d10 dmg.&nbsp; Assume an enemy has AC 17.&nbsp; A regular attack does an average of 4.5 damage.&nbsp; The Careful attack does an average of 3 damage.&nbsp; The Fixed Careful attack does an average of 5 damage.&nbsp; Twin Strike does an average of 5 damage as well.&nbsp; Now lets take a higher level example.&nbsp; The character is level 20, has a +6 dex bonus, and a +3 weapon.&nbsp; he has +21 to hit and does 1d10+9 dmg with a regular attack.&nbsp; With Careful attack (RAW) he has +23 to hit and does 1d10+3 damage.&nbsp; Fixed Careful Attack he has +23 to hit and does 1d10+7 dmg.&nbsp; Twin Strike has two +21 attacks each doing 1d10+3 damage.&nbsp; Assume the enemy has an AC of 32.&nbsp; His regular attack does an average of 7 damage.&nbsp; Careful attack (RAW) does 4.8 damage.&nbsp; Fixed Careful Attack does 7.2 damage.&nbsp; Twin Strike does 8 damage.This fix keeps them relatively balanced, makes the at will still better than a regular attack, and continues to be useful even at level 20.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="BASHMAN, post: 4583454, member: 8277"] I think I just came up with a decent fix for Careful Attack and Sure Strike to at least upgrade them to Cs or Bs, without being unbalanced. +2 to hit, -2 to damage. Essentially it is an inverse power attack. Lets look at it now. You have 18 dex using a longbow. Normally you have +6 hit 1d10+4 damage. Careful attack gives you +8 hit for 1d10 dmg. -4 damage for +2 to hit? The higher your dex, the worse it sucks. Lame. Now the fixed version. Careful attack gives you +8 hit for 1d10+2 dmg. Compare to twin striking giving +6 to hit twice, each doing 1d10 dmg. Assume an enemy has AC 17. A regular attack does an average of 4.5 damage. The Careful attack does an average of 3 damage. The Fixed Careful attack does an average of 5 damage. Twin Strike does an average of 5 damage as well. Now lets take a higher level example. The character is level 20, has a +6 dex bonus, and a +3 weapon. he has +21 to hit and does 1d10+9 dmg with a regular attack. With Careful attack (RAW) he has +23 to hit and does 1d10+3 damage. Fixed Careful Attack he has +23 to hit and does 1d10+7 dmg. Twin Strike has two +21 attacks each doing 1d10+3 damage. Assume the enemy has an AC of 32. His regular attack does an average of 7 damage. Careful attack (RAW) does 4.8 damage. Fixed Careful Attack does 7.2 damage. Twin Strike does 8 damage. This fix keeps them relatively balanced, makes the at will still better than a regular attack, and continues to be useful even at level 20. [/QUOTE]

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