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<blockquote data-quote="Korror" data-source="post: 4701506" data-attributes="member: 68383">You're right, I am surprised that you rate Tendrils of Thuban so highly. It's not a bad daily and it's probably better than the other options at level 15 but it still only inflicts immobilize which I say one of the weaker effects. Would you rate a power that did &quot;immobilize (save ends) Saves against this power have a -5 to the roll&quot; as a A grade power?You rate the rogue and warlord dailies as all-subpar which strikes me as a bit odd. What are they lacking in comparison to? It's not like the warlord or rogue have the option of taking another classes dailies and none are all that bad in comparison to the other dailies rogues and warlords get.I also think that Bloody Path and Garotte Grip are worth at least Bs. You can get a large number of attacks with Bloody Path and certain monsters are going to be very vulnerable to Garotte Grip becauseoftheir low STR scores. Consider the case of the poor Drow Priestess who is reduced to making +8 attacks against the rogue who should have a fort defense around 23 if he is an artful dodger and around 28 if he is a brutal scoundrel. The strongest monsters can count on a bonus anywhere from +13-15 which still gives the rogue good odds of maintaining the grab for 1-2 during which attacks directed against him have a good chance of hurting his poor target further. To sum up, Garotte Grip is very powerful assuming that you are a brutal scoundrel and your target is humanoid or does not have a large strength bonus.(I'm not quite sure of the numbers for a rogue's fortitude defense, I pull them from a build posted online and did some quick conversions to get them at level 15. They also included a belt of vim which may not be an option in every game)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Korror, post: 4701506, member: 68383"] You're right, I am surprised that you rate [B]Tendrils of Thuban [/B]so highly. It's not a bad daily and it's probably better than the other options at level 15 but it still only inflicts immobilize which I say one of the weaker effects. Would you rate a power that did "immobilize (save ends) Saves against this power have a -5 to the roll" as a A grade power? You rate the rogue and warlord dailies as all-subpar which strikes me as a bit odd. What are they lacking in comparison to? It's not like the warlord or rogue have the option of taking another classes dailies and none are all that bad in comparison to the other dailies rogues and warlords get. I also think that Bloody Path and Garotte Grip are worth at least Bs. You can get a large number of attacks with [B]Bloody Path[/B] and certain monsters are going to be very vulnerable to [B]Garotte Grip [/B]becauseoftheir low STR scores. Consider the case of the poor Drow Priestess who is reduced to making +8 attacks against the rogue who should have a fort defense around 23 if he is an artful dodger and around 28 if he is a brutal scoundrel. The strongest monsters can count on a bonus anywhere from +13-15 which still gives the rogue good odds of maintaining the grab for 1-2 during which attacks directed against him have a good chance of hurting his poor target further. To sum up, [B]Garotte Grip [/B]is very powerful assuming that you are a brutal scoundrel and your target is humanoid or does not have a large strength bonus. (I'm not quite sure of the numbers for a rogue's fortitude defense, I pull them from a build posted online and did some quick conversions to get them at level 15. They also included a belt of vim which may not be an option in every game) [/QUOTE]

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