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Message: <blockquote data-quote="keterys" data-source="post: 4704113" data-attributes="member: 43019">So, backing up from 22, let's look at 13 and 4.Adult Blue Dragon Level 13 Solo Artillery - hover flight, great melee and ranged options, no big dealBeholder Eye of Flame Level 13 Elite Artillery - hover flight, ranged attacks that don't provoke, can help party avoid fire burst but... no big dealDrow Arachnomancer Level 13 Artillery (L) - attacks of all types, might cause some OAsGithyanki Mindslicer Level 13 Artillery - reasonable ranged and melee options both, no big dealYuan-ti Malison Sharp-eye Level 13 Artillery - ranged attack is superior, so similar to weaken or might provoke OAsGrimlock Berserker Level 13 Brute - can be completely screwed by immobilizedHill Giant Level 13 Brute - Reach 2 makes shift more difficult to pull off and solid ranged attack, minor impactMagma Brute (Magma Beast) Level 13 Brute - Reach 2 makes shift away more difficult to pull off, but first round immobilize quite effectiveBriar Witch Dryad Level 13 Elite Controller - ranged attack, teleport, ineffectiveEidolon Level 13 Controller (L) - stance makes immobilize almost always ineffectiveGithzerai Zerth Level 13 Elite Controller - both melee and ranged attacks, teleport, ineffectiveMinotaur Cabalist Level 13 Controller (L) - melee and ranged attacks, no big dealMummy Lord Level 13 Elite Controller - only one decent ranged option, plus second wind, and aura still effective... pretty effective but not cripplingBalhannoth Level 13 Elite Lurker - reach 3, teleport, ineffectiveHorde Ghoul Level 13 Minion - Already deadDisplacer Beast Packlord Level 13 Elite Skirmisher - Reach 3 (Threatening, even) makes post-Round 1 immobilize a lot less useful but it helps turn off displacement and shifting so still quite goodDragonborn Raider Level 13 Skirmisher - Pretty much screwedDrow Blademaster Level 13 Elite Skirmisher - Pretty much screwedGray Slaad (Rift Slaad) Level 13 Skirmisher - condition transfer, teleport, largely ineffectiveNightmare Level 13 Skirmisher - teleport, ineffectiveVrock (Demon) Level 13 Skirmisher - Reach 2 and burst 3 make it tougher after round 1, but it always shuts down flyby attack, crashes its flight, and potentially lets you avoid spores of madness, so it's pretty darn goodBearded Devil (Barbazu) Level 13 Soldier - Reach 2Hellstinger Scorpion Level 13 Soldier - Pretty much screwedHelmed Horror Level 13 Soldier - crashes its flight, pretty much screwedHook Horror Level 13 Soldier - Reach 2, pull, grab, after round 1 effectiveness down a lotMedusa Warrior Level 13 Elite Soldier - good ranged and melee options, no big dealIn hindsight, this whole immobilize discussion might have been a good fork. Anyhow, I'll do level 4 next.</blockquote>

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