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Message: <blockquote data-quote="keterys" data-source="post: 4704361" data-attributes="member: 43019">Corruption Corpse (Zombie) Level 4 Artillery - good ranged and melee-range options, but being able to stay more than a square away from it is pretty useful so decentDwarf Bolter Level 4 Artillery - slightly worse melee attack, but not too badHuman Mage Level 4 Artillery - crappy melee attack, either weakens it or provokes OAsMagma Hurler (Magma Beast) Level 4 Artillery - slightly worse melee attack, but not too badHuman Berserker Level 4 Brute - effectively weakened range attackKruthik Adult Level 4 Brute - good rechargeable range option, stops its aura, so pretty darn hinderedMagma Claw (Magma Beast) Level 4 Brute - screwedOrc Berserker Level 4 Brute - screwedDeathlock Wight Level 4 Controller - multiple good options, no big dealGoblin Underboss Level 4 Controller (L) - screwedCavern Choker Level 4 Lurker - Reach 2, Grab, highly reduced effect after first round and it's good at stealthing so hard to nail down when it's not within grab rangeKobold Slyblade Level 4 Lurker - screwedSpecter Level 4 Lurker - Invisibility, burst 2... hampered certainly but not too bad.Young Black Dragon Level 4 Solo Lurker - stops flying (but clumsy, so probably wasn't really anyways), reach 2, breath weapon and zone of darkness heavily mitigate effect Orc Drudge Level 4 Minion - Dead alreadyDark Creeper (Dark One) Level 4 Skirmisher - Can throw daggers fine, but loses its combat advantage trickDeathjump Spider Level 4 Skirmisher - screwedEttercap Fang Guard Level 4 Skirmisher - screwedFey Panther Level 4 Skirmisher - some teleport so often ineffectiveGreenscale Hunter (Lizardfolk) Level 4 Skirmisher - screwedRotwing Zombie Level 4 Skirmisher - screwedPhantom Warrior Level 4 Soldier - screwedVisejaw Crocodile Level 4 Soldier - grabs so harder to pull off, but screwed if you doWarforged Soldier Level 4 Soldier - screwedSo immobilize is far more effective in heroic, being extremely powerful when used effectively in heroic, reasonable but not earth shattering in paragon, and honestly not very good at all in epic.As one caveat, it's been my experience that a lot of humanoid enemies do carry throwing weapons, even if not in their stat blocks. That is, that kobold slyblades may have throwing daggers, a warforged soldier some javelins, etc. I suspect that is not necessarily typical experience, but worth note.</blockquote>

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