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Message: <blockquote data-quote="keterys" data-source="post: 4359160" data-attributes="member: 43019">I really hate having to upgrade the +attack/-defense ones so much because of their effect on other powers, but it's a "potential" awesome - you can use it to upgrade your Thirsting Maw, Fireswarm, Confounding Swarm, etc. Just looking at Confounding Swarm alone, +4 to just that one character's attacks (and he could spend an action point) makes stunning far more likely and is a solid damage upgrade. Damage + Stun that is better than any other Encounter 3 power, without factoring in action points or other characters, or things like warlord's giving extra attacks.I personally like Sweeping Blow better, but Rain of Blows is the highest damage output option available and what's wrong with flails? Fair.Hmm, that sounds like I made a mistake. Let me bring that up... Okay, Staggering is a Str-based, so its Wis squares could easily be 4 or 5 squares. It does +1W but AC instead of Fort. Though I'll note that Fort is not a whole lot better than AC, so maybe that's what I was thinking. Hmm, I think I should probably up Split the Sky a step - cause my original score was better for it. Honestly, I don't like either... but most of Topple's upgrade is from the +4 or so to hit from Brutal Scoundrel. Especially for a rogue, actually hitting nets you another 2 to 3d8 damage. That said, I think I overvalued Topple and I'll adjust it lower. Would you argue I undervalued Setup as well? Hmmhmm. Toss a dagger in, gain the bonus, maneuver somewhere less safe... okay, I was underestimating that. I had rated them pretty close, but changed my mind after seeing both in use a bit more. Otherwind Stride immobilizes a creature then teleports you _far_ away, and you can even take a move afterwards. That's a great synergy of effects... but the main reason stride is rated so highly, it's just a big teleport. It's pretty comparable to the level 6 Wizard daily utility, Dimension Door. Except it's every 5 minutes. I like saves as much as the next guy, but I was having trouble comparing to other powers - like Shake it Off, but even like Sacred Flame, an at-will. You only need to give people saves so often at the level range this will come up and it's not a save with any kind of bonus. Mostly I just figured that a level 3 attack power that gave a save should do slightly more, like go against another defense, give a Cha bonus to it if you're an inspiring warlord, give an option for temp instead of a save, etc. I'm willing to upgrade it if others agree, though. It's certainly solid.A-, B-... and it's all about that teleport. Immobilized is decent, but it doesn't necessarily bother a ranged opponent (unless it allows melee to get up to them) or a melee opponent (unless his attacks can't reach) so I'd certainly rate it lower than daze. While close spells are tougher to use, they also don't provoke, so that counterbalances to a certain extent. You can, for instance, Color Spray then move away without being OA-ed. I wouldn't want only close spells, but having a selection is good. I do like Icy Rays a lot - that's why I set it to B-. How powerful is the custom targetting? Would it make sense to upgrade both Icy Rays and Eldritch Rain?</blockquote>

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