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<blockquote data-quote="Korror" data-source="post: 4360074" data-attributes="member: 68383">Like what though? You only switch places so you can't use it to push them into something nasty and if you want to use it to group up monsters for some good wizard blasting fun, you have to start out flanked. I do agree that's its a nifty power but I see its use being more to slingshot yourself behind enemy ranks than to set up the monsters for anything.Why not keep both? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> My rogue isn't up to the level where he's started replacing things yet but I like to have lots of ways to make sure I still get SA damage.+4 hit bonus means a starting STR of at least 16 right? I can't see that being practical as that would preclude a starting 18 DEX. Maybe a dragonborn rogue could start with 16 STR but it seems excessive for rogues who really want their primary stat as high as possible.Also once you're at the point where +hit is so valuable, you might be better off with Bait and Switch since most creature's will defense is 2-4 lower than their AC.&nbsp; The additional +1 to hit from starting with 18 DEX/14 STR instead of 16/16 coupled with attacking a monster whose AC &gt;= Will + 3 will give you more than 4.5 increased average damage to say nothing of moving the monster around.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Korror, post: 4360074, member: 68383"] Like what though? You only switch places so you can't use it to push them into something nasty and if you want to use it to group up monsters for some good wizard blasting fun, you have to start out flanked. I do agree that's its a nifty power but I see its use being more to slingshot yourself behind enemy ranks than to set up the monsters for anything. Why not keep both? :) My rogue isn't up to the level where he's started replacing things yet but I like to have lots of ways to make sure I still get SA damage. +4 hit bonus means a starting STR of at least 16 right? I can't see that being practical as that would preclude a starting 18 DEX. Maybe a dragonborn rogue could start with 16 STR but it seems excessive for rogues who really want their primary stat as high as possible. Also once you're at the point where +hit is so valuable, you might be better off with Bait and Switch since most creature's will defense is 2-4 lower than their AC. The additional +1 to hit from starting with 18 DEX/14 STR instead of 16/16 coupled with attacking a monster whose AC >= Will + 3 will give you more than 4.5 increased average damage to say nothing of moving the monster around. [/QUOTE]

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