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<blockquote data-quote="MwaO" data-source="post: 4399488" data-attributes="member: 12749">You might want to rate the fighter powers based on what happens if you're not using the weapon of choice. As an example, Chains of Sorrow still gives a nice penalty to all defenses even if you're not wielding a flail. It isn't an A, but it is better than some of the other choices.Renewing Smite is at best a C- - 2[W] attached to 10+a little hit points at 13th? At 13th, that's probably only 10-15% of your ally's hit points.I'd rate Ranger's Knockdown Shot a definite D+ if not worse - you can't fire it at a target larger than you...if the combat doesn't have a medium or small combatant, you essentially only have 3 encounter powers at 13th, not 4. Yuck.Warlock's Coldfire Vortex seems to be more powerful than a simple + compared to Soul Flaying.I think most of the Warlord's powers here need an upgrade. Warlord's Beat Them Into the Ground is a weapon attack against Fort and with the bonus to hit, most of the make prone attacks aren't going to miss. Compare Bolstering Blow to Renewing Smite - an extra [W] and no MAD? Denying Smite is much, much better than a C+. I'd call it a B+ - you're not actually marking the target, which makes it easy to set up with a mark and then you getting out of reach.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="MwaO, post: 4399488, member: 12749"] You might want to rate the fighter powers based on what happens if you're not using the weapon of choice. As an example, Chains of Sorrow still gives a nice penalty to all defenses even if you're not wielding a flail. It isn't an A, but it is better than some of the other choices. Renewing Smite is at best a C- - 2[W] attached to 10+a little hit points at 13th? At 13th, that's probably only 10-15% of your ally's hit points. I'd rate Ranger's Knockdown Shot a definite D+ if not worse - you can't fire it at a target larger than you...if the combat doesn't have a medium or small combatant, you essentially only have 3 encounter powers at 13th, not 4. Yuck. Warlock's Coldfire Vortex seems to be more powerful than a simple + compared to Soul Flaying. I think most of the Warlord's powers here need an upgrade. Warlord's Beat Them Into the Ground is a weapon attack against Fort and with the bonus to hit, most of the make prone attacks aren't going to miss. Compare Bolstering Blow to Renewing Smite - an extra [W] and no MAD? Denying Smite is much, much better than a C+. I'd call it a B+ - you're not actually marking the target, which makes it easy to set up with a mark and then you getting out of reach. [/QUOTE]

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