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<blockquote data-quote="aramis erak" data-source="post: 9274325" data-attributes="member: 6779310">Pretty Good.I've run both Revised and Gold.Both are excellent.I like the char gen - but it's neither quick nor simple.Duel of Wits can be a blast.Fight has some minor issues... especially once you have uneven PCs vs enemies.I love the option to let players define things via Circles and Lores.Per Luke and Thor, The Torchbearer starts by hybridizing Mouse Guard with BX D&amp;D. Thus, we get the followingBWC (BW Classic) → BWR (BW Revised)BWR → Burning EmpiresBWR → BWG (BW Gold)BWR → MG → TBMG and TB are significantly different mechanically from BWC/BWR/BWG/BE. Those elements of MG that are different include: &lt;30 skills vs &gt;70, character generation modality, Rewards are only two of the three Artha types. Mouse Guard Belief/Instinct/Goal are al direct equivalents to BW's Beliefs, but not to the full BITs.; BW Instincts have no direct correlation. Mouse Guard Traits are mechanically much simpler than BW traits. Disadvantages reward in different ways (MG, they give you extra actions in player phase; BW, they earn you artha at end of session). Skill range: MG skills run the same 0-9 as BW/BE, but lack the shade aspect; BW has three shades: black shade skills (the default) succeed on 4—6, Grey shade on 3—6, white on 2—6. A white 2 is about as good as a black 5-6...Lumping MG and Torchbearer in with BW/BE does a disservice to both.Yes, MG has some elements of BW in it - Circles, Resources - and similar skill ranges, but in practice, making the hop either direction means some unlearning.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="aramis erak, post: 9274325, member: 6779310"] Pretty Good. I've run both Revised and Gold. Both are excellent. I like the char gen - but it's neither quick nor simple. Duel of Wits can be a blast. Fight has some minor issues... especially once you have uneven PCs vs enemies. I love the option to let players define things via Circles and Lores. Per Luke and Thor, The Torchbearer starts by hybridizing Mouse Guard with BX D&D. Thus, we get the following BWC (BW Classic) → BWR (BW Revised) BWR → Burning Empires BWR → BWG (BW Gold) BWR → MG → TB MG and TB are significantly different mechanically from BWC/BWR/BWG/BE. Those elements of MG that are different include: <30 skills vs >70, character generation modality, Rewards are only two of the three Artha types. Mouse Guard Belief/Instinct/Goal are al direct equivalents to BW's Beliefs, but not to the full BITs.; BW Instincts have no direct correlation. Mouse Guard Traits are mechanically much simpler than BW traits. Disadvantages reward in different ways (MG, they give you extra actions in player phase; BW, they earn you artha at end of session). Skill range: MG skills run the same 0-9 as BW/BE, but lack the shade aspect; BW has three shades: black shade skills (the default) succeed on 4—6, Grey shade on 3—6, white on 2—6. A white 2 is about as good as a black 5-6... Lumping MG and Torchbearer in with BW/BE does a disservice to both. Yes, MG has some elements of BW in it - Circles, Resources - and similar skill ranges, but in practice, making the hop either direction means some unlearning. [/QUOTE]

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