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Message: <blockquote data-quote="666Sinner666" data-source="post: 4528226" data-attributes="member: 75824">The way I understand it is if a wizard casts sleep then those targeted fall asleep and at the end of their turn they are allowed to make a save against that affect. If they fail they stay asleep. If any of the targets have an ability that allows them to save before their turn and they save against it then they do not succumb to the affect and no save is required on their turn.If a cleric or any other player uses a power that allows an ally to save before their turn then the same is true with the exception of any turns prior to that.In the case of the beholder any failed saves trigger the affect of the death ray regardless of when the save is made as the power does not dictate that it only applies to saves made on the chracters turn.If you want an offical answer just submitt to CS and see what they say.P.S. I really dislike the Death Ray simply because I thought WOTC was going to do away with save or die spells but apparently they meant instantaneous save or die spells and not ones that required more than one save to kill someone. Seems a might hypocritical to me.</blockquote>