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Message: <blockquote data-quote="smdmcl" data-source="post: 4528353" data-attributes="member: 62247">I think this quote from PHB 279 is very relevant to the points being made. Basically, I read it as: 1. You suffer after-effects when you fail your save at the end of your turn. You do not suffer after-effects if you fail a save on someone else's turn as a result of a power, skill or racial ability being used.2. If a power has cascading after-effects you can not roll saving throws against both ongoing powers at the end of the same turn. For example, Disintegrate (PHB 166) does ongoing 10 and if you save it reduces to ongoing 5. If at the end of your turn you make your save against the ongoing 10 you would have to wait until the end of your next turn to save against the ongoing 5. Basically, this is the way I see the rule working best in my game so I'll probably continue to run it exactly as we have been doing.</blockquote>