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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mengu" data-source="post: 4528780" data-attributes="member: 65726">I had the same problem initially, but after seeing this scenario in action, and a bit more analysis, I disagree. Saving throws are a duration mechanic. Any bonus saving throw shortens that duration. For instance, the hobgoblin in question might fail his first save, fall asleep, make another save at the end of his turn, and wake right back up. This is much more beneficial to the hobgoblin than failing a save at the end of his turn, sleeping though every other initiative, until the end of his next turn, when he gets to make the second save and wake up. Regardless of whether the condition gets worse or not with a failed save, it is almost always better to get it over with faster with extra saves. Imagine this, without those extra saves that you failed, you would have been failing your regular saves and be suffering much longer. So while at first it seems wrong that a bonus save should have a detrimental immediate effect, it really is just reducing the duration of whatever penalties you may be suffering, which is a good thing.</blockquote>