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Grapple attempt with claw while already grappling with mouth?
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<blockquote data-quote="Joshua Randall" data-source="post: 3184687" data-attributes="member: 7737"><p>Mid/high level party on the Astral Plane gets jumped by an Astral Dreadnought (from <em>Manual of the Planes</em>).</p><p></p><p>They didn't know about its <em>antimagic</em> cone, so they closed with it. First round, it hits the monk with a claw triggering free grapple attempt with Improved Grab. Second round, as a move action, it transfers the monk to its mouth (per the monster writeup), then attacks the fighter with a claw as a standard action, hits, and attempts to start a grapple as a free action without provoking an AOO.</p><p></p><p>The fighter has some sort of feat that lets him beat back grapple attempts by taking an AOO and then applying some function of the damage dealt as a bonus on his opposed grapple check. (Close-Quarters Fighting, maybe?) So, the fighter hits the Dreadnought with his AOO and deals a bunch of damage, giving him an opposed grapple check of around +25.</p><p></p><p>Now the Dreadnought gets to make a check. Normally, it would be irrelevant, as the Dreadnought has a base Grapple +46, so it couldn't fail vs. +25. However, <strong>does the Dreadnought take -20 to its Grapple check for having the monk in its mouth, already Grappled</strong>?</p><p></p><p>Astral Dreadnought statblock</p><p>[sblock]Astral Dreadnought CR 17</p><p>N Gargantuan outsider</p><p>Init +2; Senses Listen +2, Spot +23</p><p>Aura frightful presence (200 ft., Will DC 23)</p><p>Languages -----</p><p></p><p>AC 20, touch 10, flat-footed 20</p><p> (–4 size, –2 Dex, +16 natural)</p><p>HD 18, hp 315</p><p>Fort +24, Ref +8, Will +13</p><p></p><p>Speed Fly 180 ft. (36 sq) (poor)</p><p>Melee 2 claws +30 (2d6+16/19-20 plus possible rend) and</p><p> bite +28 (2d8+8/19-20)</p><p>Space 40 ft.; Reach 10 ft.</p><p>BAB +18; Grap +46</p><p>Atk Options sever silver cord (n/a)</p><p>improved grab (see below)</p><p>swallow whole (see below)</p><p>rend 4d6+24 (if hit with both claws)</p><p>Power Attack</p><p></p><p>Str 42 (+16), Dex 7, Con 37 (+13), Int 5, Wis 14, Cha 18</p><p>Feats Improved Critical (bite, claw), Improved Initiative, Multiattack, Power Attack</p><p>Skills Hide +15, Move Silently +19</p><p>Possessions none</p><p></p><p>Sever Silver Cord (Ex) n/a</p><p>Improved Grab (Ex) if hit with claw, transfer to mouth as move action;</p><p> if hit with bite, can Pin to deal bite damage + try swallow</p><p>Swallow Whole (Ex) round after grab, grapple check to swallow;</p><p> 2d8+16 crushing plus 2d8 acid each round;</p><p> PC can make opposed grapple --> maw, another --> free;</p><p> or cut its way out by dealing 34 damage (AC 24)</p><p>Rend (Ex) if hit with both claw attacks, 4d6+24</p><p>Antimagic Cone (Su) 150-ft. cone, as antimagic field except planar travel spells</p><p>Frightful Presence (Ex) 200 ft. (40 sq), Will DC 23 or shaken (–2 atks/saves/checks)[/sblock]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Joshua Randall, post: 3184687, member: 7737"] Mid/high level party on the Astral Plane gets jumped by an Astral Dreadnought (from [i]Manual of the Planes[/i]). They didn't know about its [i]antimagic[/i] cone, so they closed with it. First round, it hits the monk with a claw triggering free grapple attempt with Improved Grab. Second round, as a move action, it transfers the monk to its mouth (per the monster writeup), then attacks the fighter with a claw as a standard action, hits, and attempts to start a grapple as a free action without provoking an AOO. The fighter has some sort of feat that lets him beat back grapple attempts by taking an AOO and then applying some function of the damage dealt as a bonus on his opposed grapple check. (Close-Quarters Fighting, maybe?) So, the fighter hits the Dreadnought with his AOO and deals a bunch of damage, giving him an opposed grapple check of around +25. Now the Dreadnought gets to make a check. Normally, it would be irrelevant, as the Dreadnought has a base Grapple +46, so it couldn't fail vs. +25. However, [b]does the Dreadnought take -20 to its Grapple check for having the monk in its mouth, already Grappled[/b]? Astral Dreadnought statblock [sblock]Astral Dreadnought CR 17 N Gargantuan outsider Init +2; Senses Listen +2, Spot +23 Aura frightful presence (200 ft., Will DC 23) Languages ----- AC 20, touch 10, flat-footed 20 (–4 size, –2 Dex, +16 natural) HD 18, hp 315 Fort +24, Ref +8, Will +13 Speed Fly 180 ft. (36 sq) (poor) Melee 2 claws +30 (2d6+16/19-20 plus possible rend) and bite +28 (2d8+8/19-20) Space 40 ft.; Reach 10 ft. BAB +18; Grap +46 Atk Options sever silver cord (n/a) improved grab (see below) swallow whole (see below) rend 4d6+24 (if hit with both claws) Power Attack Str 42 (+16), Dex 7, Con 37 (+13), Int 5, Wis 14, Cha 18 Feats Improved Critical (bite, claw), Improved Initiative, Multiattack, Power Attack Skills Hide +15, Move Silently +19 Possessions none Sever Silver Cord (Ex) n/a Improved Grab (Ex) if hit with claw, transfer to mouth as move action; if hit with bite, can Pin to deal bite damage + try swallow Swallow Whole (Ex) round after grab, grapple check to swallow; 2d8+16 crushing plus 2d8 acid each round; PC can make opposed grapple --> maw, another --> free; or cut its way out by dealing 34 damage (AC 24) Rend (Ex) if hit with both claw attacks, 4d6+24 Antimagic Cone (Su) 150-ft. cone, as antimagic field except planar travel spells Frightful Presence (Ex) 200 ft. (40 sq), Will DC 23 or shaken (–2 atks/saves/checks)[/sblock] [/QUOTE]
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