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Message: <blockquote data-quote="MostlyDm" data-source="post: 6735324" data-attributes="member: 6788973">Yeah, I hear you.  In the aforementioned game, the Bardlock and I are the two with extensive table experience.  The DM has played a lot, never DMed, and the other two players are completely new to D&D (they mostly play Shadowrun.)The difference is stark.  The Bardlock pulls multiple-duty as our face, devastating ranged damage, buffing the party, healing, and coming up with outside-the-box planning.  My Wizard (Cleric 1/Abjurer 4, technically) is the main tank, battlefield control, buffing, nuking, and thanks to Observant running around with ludicrous passive Perception and Investigation.  He's a tome warlock, so we share rituals, and we both scout with familiars.  The other two players are a Ranger and a Fighter/Rogue who had his Rogue levels swapped out for Paladin due to some in-game events.  They mostly hit stuff really, really hard, and have a blast doing it.  They're good folks, and the Bardlock and I spend a lot of resources building them up, so they don't feel in any way overshadowed.  Recent engagement was essentially a cakewalk due to my Web, and Bardic Inspiration enabling a series of Sharpshooter hits against the entangled enemies.(It's worth disclosing: the DM was ridiculously generous with stats at creation and has given out extra feats like candy. Not decisions I agree with; I actually strongly counseled him in private prior to the game about the repercussions of his decisions.  But it's certainly made MAD configurations like mine a lot more viable, since the only two stats I don't care about at all are Dex and Cha. He also allows, and grants through narrative, a lot of outside-the-PHB abilities.  Which I... am less opposed to, per se, though I have some criticisms of his implementation at times.)That got long-winded.  Man, get a D&D player talking about his game and it's all over.</blockquote>

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